Hi all, Ricken Patel, who heads up Avaaz, asked me to post this on this list (as I brought the discussion to his attention) and here is what he said:
It's a statement quoting the CEO of our hosting company. Would you mind posting it to that discussion or asking someone to? I'm not part of it - https://secure.avaaz.org/act/media.php?press_id=321 YAT Yvette J. Alberdingk Thijm Executive Director WITNESS 80 Hanson Place Brooklyn, NY 11217 phone: + 1(718) 783 2271 europe: +31 619031122 mobile: + 1 (347) 210 0152 skype: yvette-a or witnessyvette email: [email protected] twitter: @yvettethijm, @witnessorg, #video4change blog: blog.witness.org When elephants fight, the grass suffers On May 4, 2012, at 10:33 PM, Erik Sundelof wrote: > I do not know any background of this nor am I in any way linked to the > issue/concern at hand, but some general projection rules here are needed. > Especially since I have started to see random numbers thrown around which is > contraproductive in any way, shape or form. > > Throwing out $500k as a result of 35k donations is just unfounded. Just for > clarity here do check my background as far as donation flows and > crowdsourcing. > > I really personally want the discussion about the issue/concern at hand to > stay away from splitting hairs and throwing random numbers around. It is not > constructive and also will defocus the discussion from what it should be all > about. > > Apologies if I come across as too direct but let us together keep the > discussion on-point and fair, as well as staying clear from thowing arbitrary > and unfounded statements around. > > Erik > > http://sundelof.com > > > Sent from my iPad > > On May 4, 2012, at 5:39 PM, Shaun Wilde <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Was clarifying Okhin's musing about what their goal of 35k$ was for. Their >> goal is 35,000 donations. Likely to the tune of... who knows. $500,000? If >> we're wondering what they'd do with 35k$, an even more interesting >> brainstorm is what they'll do with 500k$. Hard to know without knowing >> anything about the attack--except that it was massive. >> -sw >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 12:24 AM, Jillian C. York <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> Unless those 33,000 individual donations were less than $1 each, I don't >> really see what you're getting at. >> >> >> On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 2:15 AM, Shaun Wilde <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> Clarification. That's 33,000 individual donations. Not $33k. That should get >> them started. >> -sw >> >> On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 6:52 PM, Dave Karpf <[email protected]> wrote: >> Agreed that that's what makes it importantly different. This wasn't the Comm >> department responding to reporters, it was an active fundraising ask. >> >> I'm withholding judgment for the moment, but sincerely hope the Avaaz folks >> will be more open with the tech experts on this list. At the moment, this >> looks a LOT like a crass fundraising ploy. If so, I personally would lose a >> lot of respect for the org. >> >> DK >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> >> >> On May 4, 2012, at 6:36 PM, Okhin <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > On Fri, 4 May 2012 15:48:35 -0400 >> > Sahar Massachi <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> >> I'm a bit concerned about all the muttering about Avaaz's sensationalism. >> >> >> >> Please correct me if I'm misunderstanding something, but the following >> >> scenario seems pretty plausible to me: >> >> >> >> The Avaaz site comes under some sort of attack. The tech team at Avaaz >> >> gives a quick "idiots guide" to what's going on to their communications >> >> team, and then goes back to trying to deal with the problem. The >> >> communications team has a partially confused understanding of exactly >> >> what's going on, but tries to deal with the situation as best they can. >> >> When technically minded journalists want to talk to Avaaz, the >> >> communications staff doesn't want to bother their still-hard-at-work tech >> >> team, so they give unsatisfying, vague, and unhelpful replies to these >> >> journalists". >> >> >> >> Am I missing something? >> >> >> > >> > Yeah, they started a funding campaign to fight the attack and, while >> > the attack has stopped (according to their claim), it's still open and >> > their goal is 35k$ (and they're at 33k$)for what? >> > https://secure.avaaz.org/en/massive_attack_on_avaaz_a/?fp >> > >> > Next time I've got a spam bot raiding my corporate network, I'll ask this >> > amount of money to my boss. 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