Yes. I think I was unnecessarily harsh in my own initial reply.
We simply cannot presuppose knowledge of a system. Security nonexperts have different mental models. Can we solve every security issue? No. And this is one that unfortunately, can't be solved without user education. However, if there's a way to tell robots not to archive this list, I think it should be undertaken. Corporations and other private business entities will always respond to the letter (not the spirit) of the law (/rules/W3C standards) -- Greg Norcie ([email protected]) GPG key: 0x1B873635 On 8/9/12 9:40 PM, Brian Conley wrote: > I agree with you generally Jillian, but perhaps the list guidelines > should be changed to simply make the archives public? > > In the interest of simplicity and transparency to users, this is > probably the best solution. Currently individuals who are more > knowledgeable have more access, while those who are less knowledgeable > may have incorrect assumptions about the safety/security of the content > of their emails to the list. > > This is starting to feel a bit like the crux of that cryptocat > conversation, no? > > On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Jillian C. York <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > Folks, *anyone can join the list*. I assume you all know that, > since you all joined once. Therefore, this seems like a pretty > silly thing to argue about. > > > On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 7:29 AM, Maxim Kammerer <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 4:41 PM, Sam King > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > In general, I prefer it when the reply-to is as it is in this > mailing list. > > When I want to reply to the sender, I hit reply, and when I > want to reply to > > all, I hit reply all. > > Then, after N replies in a row, you have N subscriber emails in To: > header, which means that user's mail server has to send N identical > emails (strain on the server, risk of triggering spam filters), list > server has to filter email to subscribers who are in To: or Cc: (if > anything goes wrong, they get an email twice), and anyone who > forwards > an email from the list unnecessarily exposes subscribers' email > addresses. > > > When the reply-to is the list, it becomes more > > annoying to reply just to the sender. > > Any decent mail client has a “Reply to Sender” button — no idea why > GMail doesn't (or I didn't look hard enough). > > -- > Maxim Kammerer > Liberté Linux: http://dee.su/liberte > _______________________________________________ > liberationtech mailing list > [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > > Should you need to change your subscription options, please go to: > > https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech > > If you would like to receive a daily digest, click "yes" (once > you click above) next to "would you like to receive list mail > batched in a daily digest?" > > You will need the user name and password you receive from the > list moderator in monthly reminders. 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