Am 10.08.2012 06:40, schrieb Brian Conley: > I agree with you generally Jillian, but perhaps the list guidelines > should be changed to simply make the archives public?
I respectfully disagree, I experienced it as dangerous to have open ML archives. In Germany I would clearly advise list admins against unless it is a newsletter. I have been through this. a) case of notice&takedown action: Most list admins have no process how to delete individual posts from the archives. If you don't respond in time you get into trouble. You never get enough time to respond when your opponents are malicious. b) several emails per year from individuals kindly asking you to remove posts from the archives of an inactive list you didn't even know. c) google indexing, which promotes a) and b) cases A ML usually implies an expectation about the audience and a customary agreement how to share submissions. If you subscribe to a mailing list w/o open archives your are not supposed to make them available. Here an example: RMS once had a discussion with Zimbabwe supporters on an IGF internet governance list where he expressed quite frank and opinionated views about the nature of the Mugabe "government". Because it was an open list with open archives (but limited subscribers) the conversation ended up indexed by Google. RMS did not bother that he endangered his African discussion partners by inciting them to answer his flame bait. Did participants to a ML gave their prior consent to leave a totalitarian trace? Google indexing makes the discussion partners uneven, because (email surveillance aside) certain parties cannot express their views within the group. Google indexing of open archive ML leaves a trace that anyone without advanced knowledge, access or technology could exploit. You type the email of a student from Zimbabwe and you find a discussion where he responds to a critic of the Mugabe government. Not relevant for us, we enjoy free speech, but it may become quite dangerous for this person, in particular, if the nature of the regime was correctly described. I am disgusted by the "information wants to be free" cynicism in these scenarios. Best, André _______________________________________________ liberationtech mailing list [email protected] Should you need to change your subscription options, please go to: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech If you would like to receive a daily digest, click "yes" (once you click above) next to "would you like to receive list mail batched in a daily digest?" You will need the user name and password you receive from the list moderator in monthly reminders. You may ask for a reminder here: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech Should you need immediate assistance, please contact the list moderator. Please don't forget to follow us on http://twitter.com/#!/Liberationtech
