The latest "unbreakable even by a supercomputer" article includes artistic, black and white photographs of Phil Zimmermann and John Callas: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2274597/How-foil-eavesdroppers-The-smartphone-encryption-app-promises-make-communications-private-again.html#axzz2KDR1XKE6
NK On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Ali-Reza Anghaie <a...@packetknife.com>wrote: > And even the "proponents" already have. Here, elsewhere, .. Nobody is > happy at technically ignorant gee-whiz journalism. > > The discussion has been, a few times now, how we tend to speak out about > it. And what busses people on the same side seem willing to throw each > other under. Gods know why. -Ali > On Feb 7, 2013 3:46 PM, "Jillian C. York" <jilliancy...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I'm not going to get into the politics or pettiness of this because >> frankly, I don't care. >> >> But this >> headline<http://www.extremetech.com/mobile/147714-cryptography-super-group-creates-unbreakable-encryption-designed-for-mass-market>and >> the accompanying claims of unbreakability are so incredibly egregious >> that I would expect *every single person on this list* to speak out >> against those (claims, that is), regardless of their feelings on the actual >> product. >> >> >> >> On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 12:20 PM, Yosem Companys <compa...@stanford.edu>wrote: >> >>> Just as a reminder, please let's all try to refrain from engaging in any >>> personal attacks. We're all build and use liberationtech to make a >>> difference in various ways, and we're bound to have disagreements. But >>> let's not forget that we're all working toward the same broad goal of >>> making people's lives better. Otherwise, we would likely not be on this >>> list. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> YC >>> >>> On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Ali-Reza Anghaie >>> <a...@packetknife.com>wrote: >>> >>>> Douglas, I'm not sure many people are disagreeing with the end-goals >>>> and even Zimmerman acknolwedges the window for verifiable source proof is >>>> closing fast (longer than many would have liked as-is). >>>> >>>> My comments to Nadim are coming from a tact perspective - if the goal >>>> is to gain wider adoption and recognition for all the community work, good >>>> projects, verified projects, etc. etc. then it helps when you play in the >>>> sanboxes occupied by more than the hackers and programmers making it >>>> happen. >>>> >>>> It's not uncommon to have people, who need solutions the most, to be >>>> afraid of projects because of the "main name" associated with them after >>>> some cursory rant reading. Nadim = Cryptocat, Jacob = TOR, Theo = OpenBSD, >>>> etc. etc. >>>> >>>> It's easy to tell everyone else to pound sand or to roll all activist >>>> causes into one for the collective libtech "us" - it's not so each when we >>>> take it elsewhere. Just trying to see how we can promote things that look >>>> less like personal grips and trolls - and more like building something >>>> useful. -Ali >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Douglas Lucas <d...@riseup.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Can Silent Circle promoters explain why Zimmerman is excused from >>>>> Kerckhoffs's principle? >>>>> >>>>> Is it because something unverifiable is allegedly better than nothing? >>>>> Even if we had divine knowledge to tell us Silent Circle is secure, >>>>> isn't it an overriding problem to encourage lock-in of closed source >>>>> being acceptable for something as common as text-messaging? >>>>> >>>>> It is good to have a scrappy talented young person such as Nadim being >>>>> pesky to older, accepted people. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 02/07/2013 09:45 AM, Julien Rabier wrote: >>>>> > Hello all, >>>>> > >>>>> > I'm no sec expert but to me, it's so obvious that Nadim is right on >>>>> this. >>>>> > Perhaps the form is not perfect, but if he's the only one fighting >>>>> for our >>>>> > own sanity here, as he says, that's no surprise. >>>>> > >>>>> > We should all be asking Silent Circle to commit to their statement >>>>> and show >>>>> > us the source code of their so-called unbreakable encryption tools. >>>>> > >>>>> > Again, I'm no sec expert and I won't be the guy who will do the hard >>>>> task of >>>>> > auditing and reviewing this code. But as a user, as a citizen and >>>>> perhaps an >>>>> > activist, I want the source code of such tools to be reviewed widely >>>>> and >>>>> > publicly before using and promoting it. >>>>> > >>>>> > My 2 euro cents, >>>>> > Julien >>>>> > >>>>> > Le 07 févr. - 10:31, Nadim Kobeissi a écrit : >>>>> >> Small follow-up: >>>>> >> Maybe it's true I look like my goal here is just to foam at the >>>>> mouth at >>>>> >> Silent Circle. Maybe it looks like I'm just here to annoy Chris, >>>>> and I'm >>>>> >> truly sorry. These are not my goals, even if my method seems forced. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> I've tried writing multiple blog posts about Silent Circle, >>>>> contacting >>>>> >> Silent Circle, asking journalists to *please* mention the >>>>> importance of >>>>> >> free, open source in cryptography, and so on. All of this has >>>>> failed. It >>>>> >> has simply become clear to me that Silent Circle enjoys a double >>>>> standard >>>>> >> because of the reputation of those behind it. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Silent Circle may be developed by Gods, but this is just quite >>>>> plainly >>>>> >> unfair. If someone repeatedly claims, towards activists, to have >>>>> developed >>>>> >> "unbreakable encryption", markets it closed-source for money, and >>>>> receives >>>>> >> nothing but nods of recognition and applause from the press and even >>>>> >> from *security >>>>> >> experts* (?!) then something is seriously wrong! No one should be >>>>> allowed >>>>> >> to commit these wrongs, not even Silent Circle. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> I feel like I'm fighting for our own sanity here. Look at what >>>>> you're >>>>> >> allowing to happen! >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> NK >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 10:15 AM, Nadim Kobeissi <na...@nadim.cc> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >>> On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 4:11 AM, Christopher Soghoian < >>>>> ch...@soghoian.net>wrote: >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> It is clear that you seem to have developed a >>>>> foaming-in-the-mouth, >>>>> >>>> irrational hate of Silent Circle. As such, anyone who fails to >>>>> denounce >>>>> >>>> Phil Zimmermann as the great Satan is, in your eyes, some kind of >>>>> corrupt >>>>> >>>> shill. >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Chris, >>>>> >>> You have repeatedly stood up asking VoIP software to be more >>>>> transparent >>>>> >>> about their encryption. You have repeatedly stood up when the media >>>>> >>> overblew coverage into hype. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> However, Silent Circle remains *the only case* where you remain >>>>> mentioned >>>>> >>> regularly in articles on the company, where you make a point to >>>>> completely >>>>> >>> ignore that they are posting everywhere on their social media that >>>>> they are >>>>> >>> developing "unbreakable encryption", and marketing it, >>>>> closed-source, >>>>> >>> towardsactivists. When I confront you about this, you publicly >>>>> accuse me of >>>>> >>> "soliciting a hit piece" (!!) against Silent Circle. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> That is what I have a problem with: A huge, clear, obvious double >>>>> standard >>>>> >>> strictly made available for Silent Circle. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> I proudly stand by every single statement quoted in that Verge >>>>> story. >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> Chris >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 8:56 PM, Nadim Kobeissi <na...@nadim.cc> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Chris Soghoian gives Silent Circle's unbreakable encryption an >>>>> entire >>>>> >>>>> article's worth of lip service here, it must be really >>>>> unbreakable: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://www.theverge.com/2013/2/6/3950664/phil-zimmermann-wants-to-save-you-from-your-phone >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> NK >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 10:49 PM, Brian Conley < >>>>> bri...@smallworldnews.tv>wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I heard they have a super secret crypto clubhouse in the belly >>>>> of an >>>>> >>>>>> extinct volcano. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Other rumors suggest they built their lab in the liberated >>>>> tunnels >>>>> >>>>>> beneath bin ladens secret lair in Pakistan... >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 6, 2013, at 19:42, Nadim Kobeissi <na...@nadim.cc> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Actual headline. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> http://www.extremetech.com/mobile/147714-cryptography-super-group-creates-unbreakable-encryption-designed-for-mass-market >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> NK >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>>> Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: >>>>> >>>>>> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>>> Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: >>>>> >>>>>> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: >>>>> >>>>> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>>>> >>>> Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: >>>>> >>>> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> > >>>>> >> -- >>>>> >> Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: >>>>> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech >>>>> > >>>>> > -- >>>>> > Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: >>>>> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech >>>>> > >>>>> -- >>>>> Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: >>>>> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: >>>> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: >>> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> US: +1-857-891-4244 | NL: +31-657086088 >> site: jilliancyork.com <http://jilliancyork.com/>* | * >> twitter: @jilliancyork* * >> >> "We must not be afraid of dreaming the seemingly impossible if we want >> the seemingly impossible to become a reality" - *Vaclav Havel* >> >> -- >> Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: >> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech >> > > -- > Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: > https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech >
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