> Is there something I'm missing about ~selling~ dissidents solutions in Iran and NK? US Government have an exception for that? -Ali
There is a Favorable Licensing Policy for Iran on Internet Freedom that specifically mentions "Fee-Based Internet Communication Services," although since published in March 2012 it is unclear whether any actual license has been approved. North Korea might have larger impediments since as I am fairly sure there is next to no access to international telephony or Internet connections. On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 4:47 PM, Ali-Reza Anghaie <a...@packetknife.com>wrote: > I do have to wonder why they've twice mentioned embargoes countries they > couldn't sell to legally anyway. > > Is there something I'm missing about ~selling~ dissidents solutions in > Iran and NK? US Government have an exception for that? -Ali > On Feb 7, 2013 4:38 PM, "Nadim Kobeissi" <na...@nadim.cc> wrote: > >> “I tell them go ahead and use Skype — I don’t even want to talk to you. >> This is for serious people interested in serious cryptography,” Zimmermann >> said. “We are not Facebook. We are the opposite of Facebook.” >> >> http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/02/05/security-pioneer-creates-service-to-encrypt-phone-calls-and-text-messages/ >> >> >> NK >> >> >> On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 4:32 PM, Nadim Kobeissi <na...@nadim.cc> wrote: >> >>> The latest "unbreakable even by a supercomputer" article includes >>> artistic, black and white photographs of Phil Zimmermann and John Callas: >>> >>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2274597/How-foil-eavesdroppers-The-smartphone-encryption-app-promises-make-communications-private-again.html#axzz2KDR1XKE6 >>> >>> >>> NK >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Ali-Reza Anghaie >>> <a...@packetknife.com>wrote: >>> >>>> And even the "proponents" already have. Here, elsewhere, .. Nobody is >>>> happy at technically ignorant gee-whiz journalism. >>>> >>>> The discussion has been, a few times now, how we tend to speak out >>>> about it. And what busses people on the same side seem willing to throw >>>> each other under. Gods know why. -Ali >>>> On Feb 7, 2013 3:46 PM, "Jillian C. York" <jilliancy...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I'm not going to get into the politics or pettiness of this because >>>>> frankly, I don't care. >>>>> >>>>> But this >>>>> headline<http://www.extremetech.com/mobile/147714-cryptography-super-group-creates-unbreakable-encryption-designed-for-mass-market>and >>>>> the accompanying claims of unbreakability are so incredibly egregious >>>>> that I would expect *every single person on this list* to speak out >>>>> against those (claims, that is), regardless of their feelings on the >>>>> actual >>>>> product. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 12:20 PM, Yosem Companys <compa...@stanford.edu >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Just as a reminder, please let's all try to refrain from engaging in >>>>>> any personal attacks. We're all build and use liberationtech to make a >>>>>> difference in various ways, and we're bound to have disagreements. But >>>>>> let's not forget that we're all working toward the same broad goal of >>>>>> making people's lives better. Otherwise, we would likely not be on this >>>>>> list. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best, >>>>>> >>>>>> YC >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Ali-Reza Anghaie < >>>>>> a...@packetknife.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Douglas, I'm not sure many people are disagreeing with the end-goals >>>>>>> and even Zimmerman acknolwedges the window for verifiable source proof >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> closing fast (longer than many would have liked as-is). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My comments to Nadim are coming from a tact perspective - if the >>>>>>> goal is to gain wider adoption and recognition for all the community >>>>>>> work, >>>>>>> good projects, verified projects, etc. etc. then it helps when you play >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> the sanboxes occupied by more than the hackers and programmers making it >>>>>>> happen. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It's not uncommon to have people, who need solutions the most, to be >>>>>>> afraid of projects because of the "main name" associated with them after >>>>>>> some cursory rant reading. Nadim = Cryptocat, Jacob = TOR, Theo = >>>>>>> OpenBSD, >>>>>>> etc. etc. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It's easy to tell everyone else to pound sand or to roll all >>>>>>> activist causes into one for the collective libtech "us" - it's not so >>>>>>> each >>>>>>> when we take it elsewhere. Just trying to see how we can promote things >>>>>>> that look less like personal grips and trolls - and more like building >>>>>>> something useful. -Ali >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Douglas Lucas <d...@riseup.net>wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Can Silent Circle promoters explain why Zimmerman is excused from >>>>>>>> Kerckhoffs's principle? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Is it because something unverifiable is allegedly better than >>>>>>>> nothing? >>>>>>>> Even if we had divine knowledge to tell us Silent Circle is secure, >>>>>>>> isn't it an overriding problem to encourage lock-in of closed source >>>>>>>> being acceptable for something as common as text-messaging? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It is good to have a scrappy talented young person such as Nadim >>>>>>>> being >>>>>>>> pesky to older, accepted people. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 02/07/2013 09:45 AM, Julien Rabier wrote: >>>>>>>> > Hello all, >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > I'm no sec expert but to me, it's so obvious that Nadim is right >>>>>>>> on this. >>>>>>>> > Perhaps the form is not perfect, but if he's the only one >>>>>>>> fighting for our >>>>>>>> > own sanity here, as he says, that's no surprise. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > We should all be asking Silent Circle to commit to their >>>>>>>> statement and show >>>>>>>> > us the source code of their so-called unbreakable encryption >>>>>>>> tools. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Again, I'm no sec expert and I won't be the guy who will do the >>>>>>>> hard task of >>>>>>>> > auditing and reviewing this code. But as a user, as a citizen and >>>>>>>> perhaps an >>>>>>>> > activist, I want the source code of such tools to be reviewed >>>>>>>> widely and >>>>>>>> > publicly before using and promoting it. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > My 2 euro cents, >>>>>>>> > Julien >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Le 07 févr. - 10:31, Nadim Kobeissi a écrit : >>>>>>>> >> Small follow-up: >>>>>>>> >> Maybe it's true I look like my goal here is just to foam at the >>>>>>>> mouth at >>>>>>>> >> Silent Circle. Maybe it looks like I'm just here to annoy Chris, >>>>>>>> and I'm >>>>>>>> >> truly sorry. These are not my goals, even if my method seems >>>>>>>> forced. >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> I've tried writing multiple blog posts about Silent Circle, >>>>>>>> contacting >>>>>>>> >> Silent Circle, asking journalists to *please* mention the >>>>>>>> importance of >>>>>>>> >> free, open source in cryptography, and so on. All of this has >>>>>>>> failed. It >>>>>>>> >> has simply become clear to me that Silent Circle enjoys a double >>>>>>>> standard >>>>>>>> >> because of the reputation of those behind it. >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> Silent Circle may be developed by Gods, but this is just quite >>>>>>>> plainly >>>>>>>> >> unfair. If someone repeatedly claims, towards activists, to have >>>>>>>> developed >>>>>>>> >> "unbreakable encryption", markets it closed-source for money, >>>>>>>> and receives >>>>>>>> >> nothing but nods of recognition and applause from the press and >>>>>>>> even >>>>>>>> >> from *security >>>>>>>> >> experts* (?!) then something is seriously wrong! No one should >>>>>>>> be allowed >>>>>>>> >> to commit these wrongs, not even Silent Circle. >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> I feel like I'm fighting for our own sanity here. Look at what >>>>>>>> you're >>>>>>>> >> allowing to happen! >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> NK >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 10:15 AM, Nadim Kobeissi <na...@nadim.cc> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >>> On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 4:11 AM, Christopher Soghoian < >>>>>>>> ch...@soghoian.net>wrote: >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> It is clear that you seem to have developed a >>>>>>>> foaming-in-the-mouth, >>>>>>>> >>>> irrational hate of Silent Circle. As such, anyone who fails to >>>>>>>> denounce >>>>>>>> >>>> Phil Zimmermann as the great Satan is, in your eyes, some kind >>>>>>>> of corrupt >>>>>>>> >>>> shill. >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> Chris, >>>>>>>> >>> You have repeatedly stood up asking VoIP software to be more >>>>>>>> transparent >>>>>>>> >>> about their encryption. You have repeatedly stood up when the >>>>>>>> media >>>>>>>> >>> overblew coverage into hype. >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> However, Silent Circle remains *the only case* where you remain >>>>>>>> mentioned >>>>>>>> >>> regularly in articles on the company, where you make a point to >>>>>>>> completely >>>>>>>> >>> ignore that they are posting everywhere on their social media >>>>>>>> that they are >>>>>>>> >>> developing "unbreakable encryption", and marketing it, >>>>>>>> closed-source, >>>>>>>> >>> towardsactivists. When I confront you about this, you publicly >>>>>>>> accuse me of >>>>>>>> >>> "soliciting a hit piece" (!!) against Silent Circle. >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> That is what I have a problem with: A huge, clear, obvious >>>>>>>> double standard >>>>>>>> >>> strictly made available for Silent Circle. >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> I proudly stand by every single statement quoted in that Verge >>>>>>>> story. >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> Chris >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 8:56 PM, Nadim Kobeissi <na...@nadim.cc> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> Chris Soghoian gives Silent Circle's unbreakable encryption >>>>>>>> an entire >>>>>>>> >>>>> article's worth of lip service here, it must be really >>>>>>>> unbreakable: >>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.theverge.com/2013/2/6/3950664/phil-zimmermann-wants-to-save-you-from-your-phone >>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> NK >>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 10:49 PM, Brian Conley < >>>>>>>> bri...@smallworldnews.tv>wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> I heard they have a super secret crypto clubhouse in the >>>>>>>> belly of an >>>>>>>> >>>>>> extinct volcano. >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> Other rumors suggest they built their lab in the liberated >>>>>>>> tunnels >>>>>>>> >>>>>> beneath bin ladens secret lair in Pakistan... >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 6, 2013, at 19:42, Nadim Kobeissi <na...@nadim.cc> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> Actual headline. >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.extremetech.com/mobile/147714-cryptography-super-group-creates-unbreakable-encryption-designed-for-mass-market >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> NK >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>> Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: >>>>>>>> >>>>>> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>> Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: >>>>>>>> >>>>>> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>>> Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: >>>>>>>> >>>>> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech >>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>> Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: >>>>>>>> >>>> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >> -- >>>>>>>> >> Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: >>>>>>>> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > -- >>>>>>>> > Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: >>>>>>>> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: >>>>>>>> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: >>>>>>> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: >>>>>> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> US: +1-857-891-4244 | NL: +31-657086088 >>>>> site: jilliancyork.com <http://jilliancyork.com/>* | * >>>>> twitter: @jilliancyork* * >>>>> >>>>> "We must not be afraid of dreaming the seemingly impossible if we want >>>>> the seemingly impossible to become a reality" - *Vaclav Havel* >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: >>>>> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: >>>> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech >>>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: >> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech >> > > -- > Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: > https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech > -- *Collin David Anderson* averysmallbird.com | @cda | Washington, D.C.
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