“I tell them go ahead and use Skype — I don’t even want to talk to you. This is for serious people interested in serious cryptography,” Zimmermann said. “We are not Facebook. We are the opposite of Facebook.” http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/02/05/security-pioneer-creates-service-to-encrypt-phone-calls-and-text-messages/
NK On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 4:32 PM, Nadim Kobeissi <na...@nadim.cc> wrote: > The latest "unbreakable even by a supercomputer" article includes > artistic, black and white photographs of Phil Zimmermann and John Callas: > > http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2274597/How-foil-eavesdroppers-The-smartphone-encryption-app-promises-make-communications-private-again.html#axzz2KDR1XKE6 > > > NK > > > On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Ali-Reza Anghaie <a...@packetknife.com>wrote: > >> And even the "proponents" already have. Here, elsewhere, .. Nobody is >> happy at technically ignorant gee-whiz journalism. >> >> The discussion has been, a few times now, how we tend to speak out about >> it. And what busses people on the same side seem willing to throw each >> other under. Gods know why. -Ali >> On Feb 7, 2013 3:46 PM, "Jillian C. York" <jilliancy...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> I'm not going to get into the politics or pettiness of this because >>> frankly, I don't care. >>> >>> But this >>> headline<http://www.extremetech.com/mobile/147714-cryptography-super-group-creates-unbreakable-encryption-designed-for-mass-market>and >>> the accompanying claims of unbreakability are so incredibly egregious >>> that I would expect *every single person on this list* to speak out >>> against those (claims, that is), regardless of their feelings on the actual >>> product. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 12:20 PM, Yosem Companys >>> <compa...@stanford.edu>wrote: >>> >>>> Just as a reminder, please let's all try to refrain from engaging in >>>> any personal attacks. We're all build and use liberationtech to make a >>>> difference in various ways, and we're bound to have disagreements. But >>>> let's not forget that we're all working toward the same broad goal of >>>> making people's lives better. Otherwise, we would likely not be on this >>>> list. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> >>>> YC >>>> >>>> On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Ali-Reza Anghaie >>>> <a...@packetknife.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Douglas, I'm not sure many people are disagreeing with the end-goals >>>>> and even Zimmerman acknolwedges the window for verifiable source proof is >>>>> closing fast (longer than many would have liked as-is). >>>>> >>>>> My comments to Nadim are coming from a tact perspective - if the goal >>>>> is to gain wider adoption and recognition for all the community work, good >>>>> projects, verified projects, etc. etc. then it helps when you play in the >>>>> sanboxes occupied by more than the hackers and programmers making it >>>>> happen. >>>>> >>>>> It's not uncommon to have people, who need solutions the most, to be >>>>> afraid of projects because of the "main name" associated with them after >>>>> some cursory rant reading. Nadim = Cryptocat, Jacob = TOR, Theo = OpenBSD, >>>>> etc. etc. >>>>> >>>>> It's easy to tell everyone else to pound sand or to roll all activist >>>>> causes into one for the collective libtech "us" - it's not so each when we >>>>> take it elsewhere. Just trying to see how we can promote things that look >>>>> less like personal grips and trolls - and more like building something >>>>> useful. -Ali >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Douglas Lucas <d...@riseup.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Can Silent Circle promoters explain why Zimmerman is excused from >>>>>> Kerckhoffs's principle? >>>>>> >>>>>> Is it because something unverifiable is allegedly better than nothing? >>>>>> Even if we had divine knowledge to tell us Silent Circle is secure, >>>>>> isn't it an overriding problem to encourage lock-in of closed source >>>>>> being acceptable for something as common as text-messaging? >>>>>> >>>>>> It is good to have a scrappy talented young person such as Nadim being >>>>>> pesky to older, accepted people. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 02/07/2013 09:45 AM, Julien Rabier wrote: >>>>>> > Hello all, >>>>>> > >>>>>> > I'm no sec expert but to me, it's so obvious that Nadim is right on >>>>>> this. >>>>>> > Perhaps the form is not perfect, but if he's the only one fighting >>>>>> for our >>>>>> > own sanity here, as he says, that's no surprise. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > We should all be asking Silent Circle to commit to their statement >>>>>> and show >>>>>> > us the source code of their so-called unbreakable encryption tools. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Again, I'm no sec expert and I won't be the guy who will do the >>>>>> hard task of >>>>>> > auditing and reviewing this code. But as a user, as a citizen and >>>>>> perhaps an >>>>>> > activist, I want the source code of such tools to be reviewed >>>>>> widely and >>>>>> > publicly before using and promoting it. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > My 2 euro cents, >>>>>> > Julien >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Le 07 févr. - 10:31, Nadim Kobeissi a écrit : >>>>>> >> Small follow-up: >>>>>> >> Maybe it's true I look like my goal here is just to foam at the >>>>>> mouth at >>>>>> >> Silent Circle. Maybe it looks like I'm just here to annoy Chris, >>>>>> and I'm >>>>>> >> truly sorry. These are not my goals, even if my method seems >>>>>> forced. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> I've tried writing multiple blog posts about Silent Circle, >>>>>> contacting >>>>>> >> Silent Circle, asking journalists to *please* mention the >>>>>> importance of >>>>>> >> free, open source in cryptography, and so on. All of this has >>>>>> failed. It >>>>>> >> has simply become clear to me that Silent Circle enjoys a double >>>>>> standard >>>>>> >> because of the reputation of those behind it. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Silent Circle may be developed by Gods, but this is just quite >>>>>> plainly >>>>>> >> unfair. If someone repeatedly claims, towards activists, to have >>>>>> developed >>>>>> >> "unbreakable encryption", markets it closed-source for money, and >>>>>> receives >>>>>> >> nothing but nods of recognition and applause from the press and >>>>>> even >>>>>> >> from *security >>>>>> >> experts* (?!) then something is seriously wrong! No one should be >>>>>> allowed >>>>>> >> to commit these wrongs, not even Silent Circle. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> I feel like I'm fighting for our own sanity here. Look at what >>>>>> you're >>>>>> >> allowing to happen! >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> NK >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 10:15 AM, Nadim Kobeissi <na...@nadim.cc> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >>> On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 4:11 AM, Christopher Soghoian < >>>>>> ch...@soghoian.net>wrote: >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> It is clear that you seem to have developed a >>>>>> foaming-in-the-mouth, >>>>>> >>>> irrational hate of Silent Circle. As such, anyone who fails to >>>>>> denounce >>>>>> >>>> Phil Zimmermann as the great Satan is, in your eyes, some kind >>>>>> of corrupt >>>>>> >>>> shill. >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> Chris, >>>>>> >>> You have repeatedly stood up asking VoIP software to be more >>>>>> transparent >>>>>> >>> about their encryption. You have repeatedly stood up when the >>>>>> media >>>>>> >>> overblew coverage into hype. >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> However, Silent Circle remains *the only case* where you remain >>>>>> mentioned >>>>>> >>> regularly in articles on the company, where you make a point to >>>>>> completely >>>>>> >>> ignore that they are posting everywhere on their social media >>>>>> that they are >>>>>> >>> developing "unbreakable encryption", and marketing it, >>>>>> closed-source, >>>>>> >>> towardsactivists. When I confront you about this, you publicly >>>>>> accuse me of >>>>>> >>> "soliciting a hit piece" (!!) against Silent Circle. >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> That is what I have a problem with: A huge, clear, obvious double >>>>>> standard >>>>>> >>> strictly made available for Silent Circle. >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> I proudly stand by every single statement quoted in that Verge >>>>>> story. >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> Chris >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 8:56 PM, Nadim Kobeissi <na...@nadim.cc> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Chris Soghoian gives Silent Circle's unbreakable encryption an >>>>>> entire >>>>>> >>>>> article's worth of lip service here, it must be really >>>>>> unbreakable: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> http://www.theverge.com/2013/2/6/3950664/phil-zimmermann-wants-to-save-you-from-your-phone >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> NK >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 10:49 PM, Brian Conley < >>>>>> bri...@smallworldnews.tv>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I heard they have a super secret crypto clubhouse in the belly >>>>>> of an >>>>>> >>>>>> extinct volcano. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Other rumors suggest they built their lab in the liberated >>>>>> tunnels >>>>>> >>>>>> beneath bin ladens secret lair in Pakistan... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 6, 2013, at 19:42, Nadim Kobeissi <na...@nadim.cc> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Actual headline. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.extremetech.com/mobile/147714-cryptography-super-group-creates-unbreakable-encryption-designed-for-mass-market >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> NK >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: >>>>>> >>>>>> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: >>>>>> >>>>>> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>> Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: >>>>>> >>>>> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> -- >>>>>> >>>> Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: >>>>>> >>>> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> > >>>>>> >> -- >>>>>> >> Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: >>>>>> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech >>>>>> > >>>>>> > -- >>>>>> > Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: >>>>>> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: >>>>>> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: >>>>> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: >>>> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> US: +1-857-891-4244 | NL: +31-657086088 >>> site: jilliancyork.com <http://jilliancyork.com/>* | * >>> twitter: @jilliancyork* * >>> >>> "We must not be afraid of dreaming the seemingly impossible if we want >>> the seemingly impossible to become a reality" - *Vaclav Havel* >>> >>> -- >>> Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: >>> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech >>> >> >> -- >> Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: >> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech >> > >
-- Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
