I'm wondering whether some global equivalent of the copyright collection societies http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_collective might not work although they would need to be updated to reflect current issues around CC and related licensing. Richer institutionscould pay in for access to Open Access journals perhaps on a pay per usage basis and given a relatively modest cost structure for OA journals this might be sufficient to cover operating costs on a Robin Hood basis for poorer and LDC libraries. .just a thought.
M From: liberationtech-boun...@lists.stanford.edu [mailto:liberationtech-boun...@lists.stanford.edu] On Behalf Of LISTS Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 10:58 AM To: liberationtech@lists.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [liberationtech] For everyone and their grad students: Fake, pay-to-publish journals & conferences Indeed, this would be a problem. However, it's already a problem, which is to say that poorer universities cannot afford subscriptions to EBSCO and whatnot to begin with, and thus their faculty have trouble keeping up with research in comparison to those at richer schools. What I'm suggesting here could at least alleviate this problem, because richer schools would subsidize access to research. Moreover, I'm imagining that the cost of pay-to-publish would be far lower than for-profit schemes like T&F and Elsevier, thus enabling poorer school's libraries to save money and actually increase their faculty's ability to do research (assuming that's their mission). However, I don't have numbers on this, so I could be wrong. - Rob Gehl On 04/08/2013 11:52 AM, Glassman, Michael wrote: The problem with this is that faculty from wealthier universities will have much more capability to publish than faculty from less wealthy universities. And those who can get their work supported by those with money have an upper hand of getting more information out than those who do not have their work supported. There is already enough of this in grants perhaps. Maybe we could envision something like low cost subscriptions so that individuals or universities could pay a small fee to journals they use a lot. This works well on a number of political blogs. Michael ________________________________________ From: liberationtech-boun...@lists.stanford.edu [liberationtech-boun...@lists.stanford.edu] on behalf of LISTS [li...@robertwgehl.org] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 1:45 PM To: liberationtech@lists.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [liberationtech] For everyone and their grad students: Fake, pay-to-publish journals & conferences Or, potentially, university libraries could shift from buying subscriptions to paying for their university faculty's publication fees. If the ultimate product is an open access publication, then the issue isn't paying for access, but rather paying to produce the public good. - Rob Gehl On 04/08/2013 11:42 AM, michael gurstein wrote: Publishing may be dirt cheap but any systematic/formal e.g. academic publishing isn't free... So the problem is that while there is a necessary and valuable shift from commercial publishing (and outrageous profiteering) to open access online publishing there really aren't any good business models yet to cover the (much less but not totally trivial) costs of the new forms of academic publishing. If for whatever reason (and there are lots including the issues pointed to here) one doesn't want to go to a pay for play model that leaves advertising(???) or donations (???) or... M -----Original Message----- From: liberationtech-boun...@lists.stanford.edu [mailto:liberationtech-boun...@lists.stanford.edu] On Behalf Of Richard Brooks Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 9:34 AM To: liberationtech@lists.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [liberationtech] For everyone and their grad students: Fake, pay-to-publish journals & conferences It's not curious. It is accurate. As the funding model moved from subscribers paying for access to authors paying for publication, the financial incentives changed as well. The loosening of standards is an obvious consequence of this decision. The question of how best to publish quality academic information is non-trivial. Like the question of where to get quality current affairs information. It will take a while for things to adjust to the ability of the Internet to make publishing dirt-cheap. On 04/08/2013 12:19 PM, James Losey wrote: I think it's curious how this article frames the journals as "open access" rather than a more appropriate "pay to play" On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 6:05 PM, Yosem Companys <compa...@stanford.edu <mailto:compa...@stanford.edu> <mailto:compa...@stanford.edu>> wrote: From: Nathaniel Poor <natp...@gmail.com <mailto:natp...@gmail.com> <mailto:natp...@gmail.com>> http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/08/health/for-scientists-an-exploding-w orld-of-pseudo-academia.html "The scientists who were recruited to appear at a conference called Entomology-2013 thought they had been selected to make a presentation to the leading professional association of scientists who study insects. But they found out the hard way that they were wrong...." This has been a problem for a while, but now it's big enough to be a newspaper story. ------------------------------- Nathaniel Poor, Ph.D. http://natpoor.blogspot.com/ https://sites.google.com/site/natpoor/ -- Too many emails? 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