I'm not deflecting, you're trying to take my statement out of context, and I'm not letting you do it. I said no real libertarian on earth would join the libertarian party and I was referring to the present time. Without the choice of a libertarian party most libertarians weren't taking part in the political process, but a few joined the major parties in the hopeless effort to change their direction or to obtain freedom and liberty through those parties which will NEVER happen.
--- In [email protected], "Eric Dondero Rittberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Nice try at a deflection Paul, but it ain't working. > > Let me try this again. I'll be very specific. > > There were active libertarians in the political process in the 1960s > and early 1970s. Since no Libertarian Party existed at the time, > and since all these libertarians were active in the GOP, does that > make them "illegitamate libertarians"? > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Libertarians have existed for thousands of years. The LP does not > > define libertarianism. Whether or not libertarians were in the > major > > parties before there was a Libertarian Party is irrelevant. There > IS > > a libertarian now, and no libertarian on earth would join the > > Republican or Democratic parties right now. There is not a single > > libertarian in the GOP, and that includes Ron Paul because he's > > working against the cause of liberty despite his intentions. He's > > trying to get the train to reverse directions by facing the back of > > the train and shoveling in coal, but all he's doing is speeding up > the > > train in the opposite direction of liberty. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Eric Dondero Rittberg" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Explain something to me could you please Paul. > > > > > > Are you aware that the Libertarian Party was founded on December > 11, > > > 1971 in Colorado Springs, Colorado? Actually, it was a paper > > > organization for basically a year. So, in effect it was really > > > founded in 1972. > > > > > > If you posit that "no real libertarian would ever join the > > > Republican Party..." what does that say for all the libertarians > in > > > the world who existed before 1972? > > > > > > Really, you could say, 1974 or 1975, because outside of > Washington > > > State and Colorado (the 2 States where the LP was organized), > hardly > > > anyone had even heard of the LP til about 1975/76. > > > > > > Historically, Roger MacBride has the distinction of being the > very > > > first human being ever to run for public office as > a "libertarian." > > > In 1966, Roger, then a Vermont Legislator ran for Governor in > the > > > GOP primaries. And in ever press interview he said that he was > > > a "libertarian." > > > > > > How do you explain libertarians pre-1972 (really pre-1976), who > ran > > > for office in the GOP as "libertarians"? After all there was no > > > Libertarian Party in existence. > > > > > > Was Roger MacBride and others like him, "not really > libertarians?" > > > > > > Come to think of it, Murray Rothbard himself was very active in > the > > > Republican Party in the 1950s. Him too? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > There isn't a real libertarian on earth that would join the > > > Republican > > > > Party under any circumstances; nor would they join the > Democratic > > > > Party or support a socialist anti-semite like Cindy Sheehan. > Even > > > > though she tells the truth about her son dying in vain while > not > > > > defending America (just as nobody else in the U.S. military > > > stationed > > > > in Iraq is defending America or upholding thier oath) and > violating > > > > the Constitution, and she was totally right about Bush, she > still > > > > isn't a libertarian. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Eric Dondero Rittberg" > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Don't laugh. Some LPers in New York are apparently trying > to > > > get her > > > > > to run on their ticket against Hillary for US Senate in > 2006. > > > > > > > > > > Could a 2008 run be far behind? > > > > > > > > > > This would be the final death knell for the once mighty > > > Libertarian > > > > > Party. Would split the LP right down the middle. And most > > > rational > > > > > LPers would leave and join the GOP. > > > > > > > > > > The ultimate swing to the hard-Left for the LP. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpgUKB/pzNLAA/cUmLAA/KlSolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
