Bush has never vetoed ANY bill, the first president since James Garfield not to do so. And Garfield was shot four months after he took office and was disabled until he died two months later.
For life and liberty, David Macko ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 11:28 PM Subject: [Libertarian] Re: Cindy Sheehan, Libertarian for President? > It seems you've missed the creation of a new, gigantic, and > unconstitutional part of the federal government created by > Republicans...The Homeland Security Department. You must have also > missed the completely unwarranted, unprovoked, and unconstitutional > war in Iraq which has cost American tax payers more than 200 billion > dollars, you may have also missed record setting deficit spending (aka > invisible tax), no-bid contracts, the fact that Bush has never vetoed > a single spending bill, and the fact that even with so-called spending > cuts, the budget is more than it was before and that's just off the > top of my head. > > > > --- In [email protected], "Eric Dondero Rittberg" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> So why is it then that the Republicans got absolutely creamed the >> last couple days on Capitol Hill for all their proposed spending >> cuts by the Dems and the Liberal media. >> >> Have you been paying attention to the news at all? >> >> The Republicans proposed some serious cuts in Ag and other Pork >> area. And the Democrats went absolutely Ape shit on them. >> >> Seems to me our guns are directed in the wrong direction. >> >> >> --- In [email protected], "Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > >> > I do criticize them. But right now the large government democrat >> is >> > out of office, and the gigantic government republican is in >> office. >> > Also, I'm more offended by Republicans. They talk as though they >> want >> > small government, but grow it faster than Democrats. The Democrats >> > are open and honest about their desire to grow government, the >> > Republicans are sneaky liars on top of wanting to grow government. >> > >> > >> > >> > --- In [email protected], "Eric Dondero Rittberg" >> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > > Okay, I'll accept that. So, why then do you never criticize >> > > Democrats? >> > > >> > > >> > > --- In [email protected], "Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> > > > You mean other than the fact that I'm not a leftist in any >> way, >> > > that I >> > > > oppose all forms of socialism, that I want to reduce the size, >> > > scope, >> > > > cost, and intrusiveness of government, that I adhere to a set >> of >> > > > principles and ethics unlike anyone in either of the major >> parties, >> > > > that I demand government adhere to the U.S. Constitution, that >> I >> > > > oppose those who oppose the principles which built America >> > > > (Republicans & Democrats), that I oppose the Drug war and all >> laws >> > > > against consensual acts, that I demand that our military be >> used >> > > ONLY >> > > > for the defense of U.S. soil and ships from direct attack and >> not >> > > to >> > > > "liberate" people in other nations, back UN sanctions, settle >> > > disputes >> > > > among other nations, etc.? Or perhaps it's because unlike the >> > > left, >> > > > or the right, I live my life by foundation of all >> > > libertarianism...the >> > > > non-aggression principle. >> > > > >> > > > I'm different from the left in every possible way, but I'm also >> > > > different from the right in every possible way. >> > > > >> > > > As they say, Democrats are coke, Republicans are Pepsi, and >> > > > Libertarians are 7-UP >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > --- In [email protected], "Eric Dondero Rittberg" >> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > > > > Like I said Paul, there's virtually no difference these days >> > > from >> > > > > Leftist Libertarians like yourself and the Michael >> Moore/Cindy >> > > > > Sheehan crew. >> > > > > >> > > > > Name for me one difference between your stances and the >> stances >> > > of >> > > > > the American Left? >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > --- In [email protected], "Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > > wrote: >> > > > > > There is absolutely no libertarian justification for the >> war >> > > in >> > > > > Iraq. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > --- In [email protected], "steven linnabary" >> > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Eric Dondero >> Rittberg" >> > > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > > > > > > > > Why should this be an issue? Why should you be >> worried >> > > that >> > > > > she's >> > > > > > > > > more of a "big government Progressive Democrat?" >> After >> > > all >> > > > > the >> > > > > > > > > Libertarian Left has basically morphed into an arm >> of >> > > the >> > > > > Democrat >> > > > > > > > > Party. There's no distinguishing any more between >> > > Leftist >> > > > > America- >> > > > > > > > > hating Libertarians and Leftist America-hating >> > > Liberals. >> > > > > They are >> > > > > > > > > one in the same. Where's the difference? When's >> the >> > > last >> > > > > time you >> > > > > > > > > heard a Leftist Libertarian criticizing a Leftist >> > > Democrat on >> > > > > > > > > anything? >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > From: "Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > > > > > > > There is no difference between a fascist, America- >> hating, >> > > RLC >> > > > > members >> > > > > > > > like Eric Dondero, and fascist, American-hating Neo- >> Cons. >> > > > > There is no >> > > > > > > > such thing as "libertarian left" or "libertarian >> > > republicans". >> > > > > > > > Libertarians are no closer to being Democrats than >> > > > > Republicans. That >> > > > > > > > is to say, they are NOTHING like either of them. >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I understand how you're confused since you're not a >> > > > > libertarian and >> > > > > > > > have a hard time understanding what it really means to >> be >> > > > > one. Hell, >> > > > > > > > you're not worthy of calling yourself American, let >> alone >> > > > > Libertarian. >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > A libertarian is a libertarian. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > The REAL difference between "left" libertarians >> and "right" >> > > > > > libertarians (or >> > > > > > > "liberal" libertarians and "conservative" libertarians >> is the >> > > > > > language we >> > > > > > > are comfortable with. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Personally, I am more comfortable with the touchy-feely >> > > language >> > > > > of >> > > > > > > liberals. But then, I am an Orthodox Christian that >> > > believes >> > > > > that faith >> > > > > > > without action is empty and action without faith is >> futile. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > It does not matter. A libertarian is still a >> libertarian. >> > > We >> > > > > > simply use >> > > > > > > different language to say the same thing. Advocates for >> > > Self >> > > > > Government >> > > > > > > calls it the "Ransberger Pivot", for those that want to >> know. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > There was a joke back in the late seventies-early >> > > eighties "How >> > > > > many >> > > > > > > Libertarians does it take to screw in a light bulb? >> Just >> > > one, >> > > > > but a >> > > > > > couple >> > > > > > > dozen to argue whether to turn it to the left or the >> right". >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Cindy Sheehan MAY be a libertarian. I don't know. >> Haven't >> > > a >> > > > > clue. I >> > > > > > > haven't heard anything from her except her definitely >> > > libertarian >> > > > > > view of >> > > > > > > the current war(s). But she might be able to screw in a >> > > light >> > > > > bulb. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > What Eric refuses to do is explain why we should support >> > > > > the "Blame >> > > > > > America >> > > > > > > First" republicans and support his stupid war. There >> might >> > > be a >> > > > > > libertarian >> > > > > > > justification for his war. I don't see it. Afterall, I >> > > HAVE >> > > > > seen >> > > > > > > libertarian justification for slave restitution, and >> foreign >> > > > > aid, and >> > > > > > > libertarian opposition to copyrights and patents. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > I am definitely not the person to say Eric isn't >> > > libertarian. I >> > > > > > like Eric, >> > > > > > > have known him for twenty years or so. But, I want to >> see >> > > his >> > > > > logic. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > BTW, referring to somebody as fascist or nazi or big >> > > government >> > > > > democrat >> > > > > > > does NOT add anything to your argument. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > PEACE >> > > > > > > Steven R. Linnabary, Treasurer >> > > > > > > Franklin County Libertarian Party >> > > > > > > (614) 891-8841 >> > > > > > > P.O.Box#115; Blacklick, OH 43004-0115 >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > "When you make peaceful revolution impossible, you make >> > > violent >> > > > > > revolution >> > > > > > > inevitable" John F. Kennedy ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpgUKB/pzNLAA/cUmLAA/KlSolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
