Mark, that cpaitalism 'is usually life-supporting without a non-consensual victim)' does NOT preclude its being used in harmful (bad) ways which murder non-consensuals, too :(
Capitalism, socialism, communalism, individualism, collectivism and so on, are all ways that persons can interact. They can be 'good' or 'bad' means (tools) for interaction depending on how 'persons' decide to use them. But, responsibiltiy for doing 'good' or 'bad' can NOT be exported away from the 'person' who acts. Persons can use capitalism as a means for doing good OR bad! Jim, er... I mean Mark, your mission, if decide to accept it: As an exersize, try to imagine and describe implementations of capitalism, socialism, communalism, individualism, collectivism and so on, with EACH employed as a means (tool) for BOTH 'good' and 'bad' ends. as usual, the non-thinkers will disavow this effort and this e-mail will self-destruct in five minutes :) -Terry Liberty Parker Please read what I wrote in What's at the Heart of What Libertarians are Selling? at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/message/30419 --- In [email protected], "mark robert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Terry, > > > > As I said before, I can appreciate your narrower perspective of > "good". I always admire and respect your positions, so I hesitate > to take issue with you here because you are "always" so right-on. > So bear with me if I don't see this one as clearly. > > > > Enough of polite disclaimers. > > > > You appear to answer "yes" below to my two assessment questions > (contrasting inanimate objects with human behavior) far below. If > that's true, then even under this/your stricter usage of "good" I > think I can retain my original position: that capitalism can be > so labeled. After all, capitalism is more a human behavior than > an inanimate object (and is usually life-supporting without a > non-consensual victim). > > > > -Mark > > > > _____ > > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry L Parker > Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 11:47 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [Libertarian] Re: Discussing Capitalism: the Good the > Bad & the Ugly > > > > Mark, since 'person' is the term we use to reference entities > capable of having rights and obligations, wouldn't that imply > decision makers to whom responsibilty accrues? > > Suitabiltiy of a gun's calibre for a particular task can be > assessed ('judged'). But, it still takes a 'person' to be > responsible for deciding how the gun is to be used. > > While tools (the gun) are A-moral, each person IS a free moral > agent. > > > -Terry Liberty Parker > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian > > > > --- In [email protected], "mark robert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > Terry, > > > > > > > > Are you saying that no inanimate objects should be judged > > according to their life-supporting or life degenerating > > properties, that only human behavior should be so judged? > > > > > > > > -Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> AIDS in India: A "lurking bomb." Click and help stop AIDS now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpTY2A/lzNLAA/yQLSAA/KlSolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
