Anna, though imperfect as such, America is indeed a good example of a partial free market leading to enough prosperous security that its people are world renowned for VOLUNTARY giving; aka, love.
What do you think happens to this 'spirit of giving' IF and WHEN it's coerced by govt? Kids (developing humans) naturally 'share' to increase the pleasure of playing with mates IF they are secure in their 'domains' (body & justly held possessions) That's negated when some adult violates the child's personal soverignty by intervening with superior brute physical force to compel 'sharing' I very much disagree with, what appears to be by you, an excessive discounting of the human potential for decency :( -Terry Liberty Parker Please see what I wrote in 'Real world' experiment in LIBERTARIAN community became famous at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LibertyProspects/message/2569 --- In [email protected], "Anna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Was there any experiment done which would show that when people enjoy free market opportunities without the central government, and restricting laws, they are more loving, or more giving and sharing? > It could prove that you are right. > Anna > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Terry L Parker > To: [email protected] > Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 6:57 PM > Subject: [Libertarian] Re: the truth.... > > > Anna, I do NOT agree with defining the loving act of charity > as an obligation! > > A person can do something out of agreed upon DUTY (obligation) > OR out of LOVE. For example, a woman can sexually satisfy > her man as a 'duty' OR as a an act of 'love' What would > you think of the man who didn't know, or even care to know, > the difference. > > The children (develping humans) I have helped to raise > (stewardship), and the many more I've been around, DO > naturally share; though not always when some adult wants. > *IF* a child is given sufficient 'domain' AND are secure > in their 'domain' (their body and justly held possessions) > FEAR is reduced and is NATUALLY replaced by love. ALSO, > children who ARE 'secure' in their just 'property rights' > WANT to share playthings with their playmates (win/win) > > Negating the security of a developing person's domain (body > and justly held possessions) will NATURALLY induce more FEAR > and insecurity. SOME adults do this by coercing 'sharing' > Are we surprised that this ESCALATES to MORE authoritarianism? > > If you want a more loving society, stop redefining that which > persons do out of 'love' into 'duty' (obligation) > > > -Terry Liberty Parker > Please see what I wrote in > What's at the Heart of What Libertarians are Selling? > at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/message/30419 > > > > --- In [email protected], "Anna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Hello Terry, Charity has to be taught, a person is not born with > it. > > It is taught by making it a moral obligation. These is also how > children are taught values. > > > > The only thing that separates man from animal is altruism. > > Anna > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Terry L Parker > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 9:17 PM > > Subject: [Libertarian] Re: the truth.... > > > > > > Anna, what is the 'spirit' behind redefining acts of love > > as being acts of obligation; and what can be said of those > > who don't know the difference? > > > > -Terry Liberty Parker > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Anna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > But honestly, should we not share our good fortune with those > who > > are sick, old or disabled? A society that ignores its poor, > cannot > > be healthy or morally strong. Do you want to resurrect Sparta? > > > Anna > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: James Landrith > > > To: [email protected] > > > Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 5:53 PM > > > Subject: RE: [Libertarian] Re: the truth.... > > > > > > > > > Umm, because, like welfare is not magic money. And stuff. > > > > > > > > > > > > It comes via the state sponsored theft of others. > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel free to donate all you wish to help others (and I do), > but > > the moment > > > you empower government to take it from one person and give it > to > > another you > > > become a party to theft. > > > > > > > > > > > > Does that about sum it up? > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > > > James Landrith > > > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > cell: 703-593-2065 * fax: 760-875-8547 > > > AIM: jlnales * ICQ: 148600159 > > > MSN and Yahoo! Messenger: jlandrith > > > Taking the Gloves Off - <http://www.jameslandrith.com> > > > http://www.jameslandrith.com > > > The Multiracial Activist - <http://www.multiracial.com> > > > http://www.multiracial.com > > > The Abolitionist Examiner - > > <http://www.multiracial.com/abolitionist/> > > > http://www.multiracial.com/abolitionist/ > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > From: [email protected] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > > Behalf Of Anna > > > Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 7:45 PM > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: Re: [Libertarian] Re: the truth.... > > > > > > > > > > > > Basically, you are against the welfare. What is your argument? > > > Anna > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Paul > > > To: [email protected] > > > Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 8:00 AM > > > Subject: [Libertarian] Re: the truth.... > > > > > > > > > The poor, elderly, and infirmed would have more help under a > > > completely free market system than they do with the > government > > system > > > now. They'd get help from friends, family, neighbors, > their > > church, > > > private charities, and others who want to help. 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