Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > --- In [email protected], Deus Ex Machina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Ok, so are you denying that we have sole dominion over our own lives > > > and body (including the organisms within them)? This means you're > > > saying that someone else can have more of a claim on your body than > > > you do. This is the exact opposite of the premise of libertarianism. > > > > > > Either that or you are denying that natural law exists. Which is > it? > > > > both. the current system already doesnt give you rights to your own dna. > > Oh, so you're saying you're not a libertarian. That's all you had to > say. Anyone that denies that we own our own DNA, and that we have > sole dominion over ourselves (and the organisms within ourselves) is > not a libertarian. Nor would any libertarian on earth say that one > person would have any claim to the body of another.
not I am saying, belief does not make something objective. just because you have a beleif as to how things look to you doesnt make it so. > > > Do you deny that gravity exists or do you deny that we own ourselves? > > > you can measure gravity, how do you measure natural law? > > Gravity IS a natural law and you just stated that you could measure > it. Natural rights are a subset of natural law, and rights can't be > measured, but the violation of rights can be measured. The ability to > measure something is not a requirement for its existance. Can you > measure love? Do you deny that love exists? you are stuck in the self consistency of logic. a logical system may be complete but does not mean it is objective. further yes you can measure phisiological effects of love. you can measure gravity. you cant measure natural law, because it is belief. to say you can measure its consequences is simply saying your beleifs are consistent. that in no way makes them objective. > Wrong. My position is 100% consistent at all times. An "unborn > child" has no rights because there is no such thing as an unborn > child. Until the moment it leaves the body of the host, it is a > biological parasite. And as I said, nothing inside my body has any > rights because I alone own my body and all of its contents. does that mean a female owns your dick during sex? Vic ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> 1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery. http://us.click.yahoo.com/WpTY2A/izNLAA/yQLSAA/KlSolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
