Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > --- In [email protected], Deus Ex Machina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > you are stuck in the self consistency of logic. a logical system may be > > complete but does not mean it is objective. further yes you can measure > > phisiological effects of love. you can measure gravity. you cant measure > > natural law, because it is belief. > > > > to say you can measure its consequences is simply saying your beleifs > > are consistent. that in no way makes them objective. > > Measuring the effects of love on a person's body is not a measure of > love. Some people may merely be lustful of another person and get hot > and bothered when they walk into the room. That doesn't mean they > love them. Love exists and it can't be measured and it can't be > denied. Natural law and natural rights exist every bit as much and > can't be measured either. You can only measure the amount rights have > been trampled on, not rights themselves because they have no limits > other than the equal rights of others.
this is a circular argument. if something is claimed to exist then you must be able to find it. love exists as a state in an individual, rights only exist as agreements between individuals. I specifically brought the unborn child example, because all the points of view are covered by people on this list. because the definition of rights and even what consitutes an human are by definition and not by observation, different people have different ideas. I personally have no opinion on it. rights are an agreement, or in your case beleifs. that going back to the original post means a computer will decide whatever you program it to have as a view on unborn rights. because there is nothing objective about the unborn baby that can be tested for rights. if you define an unborn child to be a parasite then you will have a negative view of the rights of the baby. just as validly you can have the opposite view. if I for arguments sake define life to start at conception, what possible objective test can you apply to say that that living being should not have rights? Vic ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/u8TY5A/tzNLAA/yQLSAA/KlSolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
