<Rights are not a social construct. They exist independently of
society. They are as immutable as gravity. You can't trade them,
sell them, buy them, give them away, or vote them away. You can no
more vote on the existance of natural rights than you can vote on the
existance of gravity. If today, every person on earth voted for
gravity to disappear, we'd still gravity tomorrow. The same is true
of natural rights.>
While I agree with much of your post, I think here you are in error.
Rights cannot exist outside human mind. While they may seem logical, one has to
realize that all logic is tautological.The only natural right one have is a
right to live and a right to die. Birth is not guaranteed. Another thing is
that gravity is now believed to be an effect of colliding particles. This makes
a bad example as it shows that violence can create rights. Perhaps it can, who
knows. Perhaps colliding particles after the destructive meeting, create rights
as physical rules, to prevent farther collisions { a form of peace ].
Anna
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 9:38 PM
Subject: objective vs subjective Re: [Libertarian] Re: Socialism/Capitalism
of the Author
--- In [email protected], Deus Ex Machina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> this is a circular argument. if something is claimed to exist then you
> must be able to find it. love exists as a state in an individual,
> rights only exist as agreements between individuals.
>
> I specifically brought the unborn child example, because all the points
> of view are covered by people on this list. because the definition of
> rights and even what consitutes an human are by definition and not by
> observation, different people have different ideas. I personally have no
> opinion on it.
>
> rights are an agreement, or in your case beleifs. that going back to the
> original post means a computer will decide whatever you program it to
> have as a view on unborn rights. because there is nothing objective
> about the unborn baby that can be tested for rights.
>
> if you define an unborn child to be a parasite then you will have a
> negative view of the rights of the baby. just as validly you can have
> the opposite view.
>
> if I for arguments sake define life to start at conception, what
> possible objective test can you apply to say that that living being
> should not have rights?
>
> Vic
>
The FACT (not opinion) is that we own ourselves and all organisms
within the confines of our body (that is internally). As such, we
alone have 100% of the decision making powers of the life and death of
all organisms within our bodies. Nothing inside my body has any
rights because I alone have all rights for everything inside my body.
Therefore the ONLY reasonable and ONLY objective decision a computer
could make is that rights begin at birth and not before. This
includes the right to life itself.
Rights are not a social construct. They exist independently of
society. They are as immutable as gravity. You can't trade them,
sell them, buy them, give them away, or vote them away. You can no
more vote on the existance of natural rights than you can vote on the
existance of gravity. If today, every person on earth voted for
gravity to disappear, we'd still gravity tomorrow. The same is true
of natural rights.
As Mel Gibson said in the movie Braveheart...."They make take our
lives, but they'll never take our freedom".
I define a fetus to be a parasite, not because I have a negative view
of the rights of a baby, it's because a fetus genuinely is a
biological parasite, and a fetus is not a baby and has no rights to
have a positive or negative view of.
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