No, you are making here new synonyms. To be born means to come out from the mother's abdomen starting a separate life. To be created means to be conceived. Born is NOT the same as Created. Anna ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 9:22 PM Subject: objective vs subjective Re: [Libertarian] Re: Socialism/Capitalism of the Author
Born = Created. There is no "pre-emption" of our rights by anyone including whomever we consider our "creator" to be, whether that is our parents, nature, or some sort of made up diety like the judeo-christian concept of "god". --- In [email protected], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > Wrong. My position is 100% consistent at all times. An "unborn > > child" has no rights because there is no such thing as an unborn > > child. Until the moment it leaves the body of the host, it is a > > biological parasite. And as I said, nothing inside my body has any > > rights because I alone own my body and all of its contents. I have > > sole dominion over my body and make all life and death decisions for > > the organisms within the body and even for my body. Nobody else on > > earth has any claim to my body, including the organisms within my > > body. The combined population of the planet earth minus me has no > > legitimate say what-so-ever in what I do or don't do with my body or > > the organisms within. > > > > ALL LIBERTARIANS....I repeat....ALL LIBERTARIANS believe in complete > > self-ownership of our body and everything inside of our body. > > > > > As the Dude on the Deuce postulated in 1776, all Men are created equal and > are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights. > > Not "born" equal. Created equal. The baby has a human mother and a human > father and therefore is not likely a giraffe. The baby could die in the > womb and therefore is alive, because one of the prerequisites for dying is > that you must be alive to do it. The baby is a living human being. The > mother's Creator-given right to sole control of her body has been > pre-empted by her Creator for the time being by endowing the baby with the > right of parasitic feeding, just as the kid's Creator-given right to > liberty is later restricted by the mother's Creator-given right to > restrain the kid in a stroller at the mall. > > Tell your kindergarten kid to invite a classmate to live with you, and the > classmate accepts, and see how long it is before the government dispatches > gun-toting goons in bulletproof vests to enforce the parents' right to > raise their kid. ("That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted > among Men...") You were violating the parents' Creator-given right to > raise their child. Likewise, the Creator-given right of the baby to life > can be enforced by the State. > > Tom Alciere > smart person with correct opinions > ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "Libertarian" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> 1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery. http://us.click.yahoo.com/WpTY2A/izNLAA/yQLSAA/KlSolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
