Is a painting the same as the paints and brushes?
No. The whole is always larger than the individual parts. Creation changes properties, what you want is a miracle of something appearing from nothing. This is illogical. From nothing only nothing can come, and besides there is no nothing. Once something is, it exists. Even nothing must exist. This is science. Anna ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 7:50 AM Subject: objective vs subjective Re: [Libertarian] Re: Socialism/Capitalism of the Author If I mix some cake batter, is a cake created? No. If I put it in the oven for 2 minutes, is it created? No. A cake isn't created until I pull it out of the oven and it's been done being created. Then the creation process is done. Until that moment I don't have a cake. Born = Created --- In [email protected], "Anna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > No, you are making here new synonyms. To be born means to come out from the mother's abdomen starting a separate life. > To be created means to be conceived. Born is NOT the same as Created. > Anna > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Paul > To: [email protected] > Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 9:22 PM > Subject: objective vs subjective Re: [Libertarian] Re: Socialism/Capitalism of the Author > > > Born = Created. > > There is no "pre-emption" of our rights by anyone including whomever > we consider our "creator" to be, whether that is our parents, nature, > or some sort of made up diety like the judeo-christian concept of "god". > > > > --- In [email protected], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > > > Wrong. My position is 100% consistent at all times. An "unborn > > > child" has no rights because there is no such thing as an unborn > > > child. Until the moment it leaves the body of the host, it is a > > > biological parasite. And as I said, nothing inside my body has any > > > rights because I alone own my body and all of its contents. I have > > > sole dominion over my body and make all life and death decisions for > > > the organisms within the body and even for my body. Nobody else on > > > earth has any claim to my body, including the organisms within my > > > body. The combined population of the planet earth minus me has no > > > legitimate say what-so-ever in what I do or don't do with my body or > > > the organisms within. > > > > > > ALL LIBERTARIANS....I repeat....ALL LIBERTARIANS believe in complete > > > self-ownership of our body and everything inside of our body. > > > > > > > > > As the Dude on the Deuce postulated in 1776, all Men are created > equal and > > are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights. > > > > Not "born" equal. Created equal. The baby has a human mother and a human > > father and therefore is not likely a giraffe. The baby could die in the > > womb and therefore is alive, because one of the prerequisites for > dying is > > that you must be alive to do it. The baby is a living human being. The > > mother's Creator-given right to sole control of her body has been > > pre-empted by her Creator for the time being by endowing the baby > with the > > right of parasitic feeding, just as the kid's Creator-given right to > > liberty is later restricted by the mother's Creator-given right to > > restrain the kid in a stroller at the mall. > > > > Tell your kindergarten kid to invite a classmate to live with you, > and the > > classmate accepts, and see how long it is before the government > dispatches > > gun-toting goons in bulletproof vests to enforce the parents' right to > > raise their kid. ("That to secure these Rights, Governments are > instituted > > among Men...") You were violating the parents' Creator-given right to > > raise their child. Likewise, the Creator-given right of the baby to life > > can be enforced by the State. > > > > Tom Alciere > > smart person with correct opinions > > > > > > > > > > > > > ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > a.. Visit your group "Libertarian" on the web. > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian SPONSORED LINKS E government Libertarian E government strategy Libertarian party E government procurement ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. 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