This is a shortsighted view. How different it is from a claim made by an educated communist explaining to a child why communism is the only way for humanity to follow. He had said:" If you are not a communist, then you are an animal". Fact is that your own morality agrees to a murder under the pretext of a human right to freedom. Nevertheless, you have biology for the enemy here. >From biological point of view, sex is made for reproduction purpose, not just >pleasure.. When two people consent to sex, they are aware that this may lead >to pregnancy. This is our nature. Thus a consent to sex becomes a contract >made between two lovers and a potential fetus resulting from this consent >which requires to carry it to term. .You have said yourself that every man >should be responsible for his actions. What a word responsibility mean to you? >To me, to bear the effects of one's actions, NOT to REMOVE or HIDE them. Moral rules are hard to point down and write, nevertheless most humans are aware of them in form of conscience. Regardless of political consequences most women would hesitate to kill a fetus once they feel it moving inside. At the same time, some wouldn't mind. Nevertheless, a late abortion should be treated as a crime. Without it, you will encourage a trade in almost full term fetuses for transplants and medical or cosmetic purpose. The organ transplant black marketer is already out of control. What do you think the poor women will do once the legal barriers would be removed, or the black market brokers who deal in human parts? They would become finally capitalists. A civilized society should concern sieve not only with the economy, but also their own biology and physics of life. You propose a return to the cave, Anna
----- Original Message ----- From: Paul To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 12:39 AM Subject: objective vs subjective Re: [Libertarian] Re: Socialism/Capitalism of the A Libertarians are not pro murder. An abortion is no more murder than having a tooth pulled. A fetus is not an unborn baby and it's not a citizen. Citizens are people who are BORN in America, or who have immigrated here. Each and every single claim you make calling a fetus an unborn baby, a citizen, a human being, a person, etc. is a lie. If you don't support a woman's right to do anything she wants with anything inside her body at any time (including 30 seconds before giving birth), you aren't advocating libertarianism. --- In [email protected], "Anna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > And you have created a society where killing unborn babies up to the moment of their birth would be perfectly acceptable. If this is a proof of your libertarian attitude, then I am glad that I am not a part of it. > > A fetus becomes a citizen the moment his brain is finished and he becomes an individual. An unborn fetus is not a subhuman, nor animal [ worm according to your description] and not a slave, even if it is within the body of another person. Individual can be described as an entity possessing alive mind. > > I do not believe that to be libertarian means to be pro- murder, so I do not accept your claim that you are a libertarian, rather a barbarian.. > Anna ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "Libertarian" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/KlSolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
