Moral prohibition of murder, assault and theft is virtually UNIVERSAL! An underlying principle in human action is an innate `physical aggression truce' which is also the underlying principle for UNIVERSAL libertarianism.
PleaseSee: What's at the Heart of What Libertarians are Selling? at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/message/30419 This truce gives `self-ownership' (exclusive right to determine use and disposition) by each individual person an essential material protection. That can also be phrased as: Reciprocal Physical Comprehensive Autonomy for each and every person. AlsoSee FlashAnimationAt- http://www.isil.org/resources/introduction.html UNIVERSAL liberty's underlying 'physical aggression truce' principle (aka NAP/ZAP and so on) thus accommodates a just and broad array of choices by `self owning' free moral agents, except for the INITIATION, or credible threat of initiation, of physical force against the person or justly held possessions of another (note: the ban on these uses of physical force does NOT preclude all other uses) PleaseSee: Your Freedom & the Rights of Others at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/message/22990 So, what would morally justify a person INITIATING, or doing a credible threat to initiate, physical force against the person or justly held possessions of another; AND, why should this `truce' EXCEPTION be allowable over the truce exceptions that may be wanted by someone else? Why would any truce violation be justified? -Terry Liberty Parker 'Real world' experiment in LIBERTARIAN community became famous at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LibertyProspects/message/2569 --- In [email protected], "geofgibson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I can buy most of your reasoning. > > The only thing I have trouble with is that you try to deny that Western > morality is based on Judeo Christian principles. > > Not to kill, not to steal, not to covet the private property of your > neighbor. All these things are the basis of the ethics of life and liberty. > > These colonies, and the states which they became were settled by Puritans. > They were versed in the Calvinist and Lutheran traditions which opposed the > need for priests and Popes to achieve grace and salvation. > > Thomas Paine spoke out against the churches of nations. That is exactly > what the 1st Amendment was designed to prevent. Of that, there is no doubt. > They may not have based the law on the Bible as law, but that heritage is > what formed their morality. > > To then infer that the Founders morality is not based on their own Judeo > Christian heritage, as followers of Christ, not the Christian church makes > no sense. > > Their morality did not spring from some pagan well. > > > > For the sake of argument, if they intended to completely discount the > teachings of Christ and the Deity as a source of morality, then from whence > does Western morality and ethics come? > > _____ > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Paul > Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 1:12 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [Libertarian] Re: Fwd: The "W" In Christmas > > > > You falsely claimed it to be disingenuous but the FACT (not opinion) > is the founders didn't create the government or the laws of America > based on any judeo-christian ethics, teachings, or morality. NONE of > it came from Biblical teachings. > > The reason words like "Creator" and "Nature's God" were chosen is to > specifically show that America is not a Christian nation, and to show > that our laws don't come from the bible, and to show that people who > don't believe in god, or who believe in another god, are every bit as > American as anyone else in America. > > The Founders created our wholly secular nation to keep religion > completely out of government and government completely out of religion. > > > > > --- In [email protected], "geofgibson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > As I said, there are quotes questioning the existence of God. > > > > I also made the point that the Founders were followers of Christ > rather than > > the churches and priests. > > > > I no more took the quotes out of context than Paul has done below. > > > > My main point, is it is disingenuous to say that the Founders were not > > working on Judeo-Christian principles, when that is, in fact, the > basis of > > their morality. > > > > There is no reason that the God of nature and the God of Christ are > mutually > > exclusive. > > > > > > > > > ForumWebSiteAt HYPERLINK > "http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian"http://groups.yahoo.com/g roup/Lib > ertarian > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > > > HYPERLINK > "http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? t=ms&k=Libertarian&w1=Libertarian&w2=English+l > anguage&w3=Political+parties&w4=Online+dictionary&w5=American+politics &c=5&s > =108&.sig=jGQnaRhfv4RQgZXyK4kr1w"Libertarian > > HYPERLINK > "http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? t=ms&k=English+language&w1=Libertarian&w2=Engl > ish+language&w3=Political+parties&w4=Online+dictionary&w5=American+pol itics& > c=5&s=108&.sig=QWSjIRDd7cCvA3JjWf5fnQ"English language > > HYPERLINK > "http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? t=ms&k=Political+parties&w1=Libertarian&w2=Eng > lish+language&w3=Political+parties&w4=Online+dictionary&w5=American+po litics > &c=5&s=108&.sig=Nmlb2J_kcrDDcS9fz-a4eg"Political parties > > > HYPERLINK > "http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? t=ms&k=Online+dictionary&w1=Libertarian&w2=Eng > lish+language&w3=Political+parties&w4=Online+dictionary&w5=American+po litics > &c=5&s=108&.sig=tfMLc2NuNqcAdgFcVdgR3Q"Online dictionary > > HYPERLINK > "http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? t=ms&k=American+politics&w1=Libertarian&w2=Eng > lish+language&w3=Political+parties&w4=Online+dictionary&w5=American+po litics > &c=5&s=108&.sig=Q4Bxp3h_3TNlBQAgwWP-kw"American politics > > > > > > _____ > > YAHOO! 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