How about BUYING goods Paul. Do you claim the goverment has authority to tell Americans what they have a right ot buy and what they have a privlage to buy, as if the people got their authority from the goverment, and not the goverment from the people Paul?
The goverment, in your opinion, gives us the privilage of deciding what we buy? Is this realy liberty Paul? Is this not agression, coersion of the American people to buy what the goverment aproves of, giving it power to coerce other peoples threw trade agreements? Is this your vission of Liberty Paul? That only a chosen few can tell me what I can or can not buy? If thats your idea of Liberty Paul, I don't know what more to say to you. --- In [email protected], "Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Selling foreign goods in America IS NOT A RIGHT....it is a PRIVILEGE. > > > > --- In [email protected], "terry12622000" <cottondrop@> > wrote: > > > > Buying and selling is a right if both the buyer and seller agreed, > > the government has no right to say the seller can not sell or the > > buyer buy goods and services that do not harm non contractual > > parties. Now true if every property owner has the right to secde from > > the government a tax could be a membership fee and actually a users > > fee not a tax. If there was a fee on both imports and exports if the > > secding merchant wished to trade with people in the US they would > > still be paying the tax, if they traded only with foreign companies > > yet the foreign companies traded with the US the seceding merchant > > would be paying the tax indirectly but if they did not trade with the > > US or their trades with others can not connected with the US then > > they will not pay the tax. > > Outside trade may not be a problem with those that live on the > > border or on the coast but it might for landlock property > > owners. > > Still it could be argued that the US or a state has no right to > > landlock a property owner unless the property owner is a clear > > security risk. > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Paul" <ptireland@> wrote: > > > > > > No. That isn't what I said. Perhaps you should read it again. > > > > > > I will go on record as saying, "Not all taxation is theft and not > > all > > > taxation is force." > > > > > > I consider any tax on your rights to be an act of force. I do not > > > consider extremely low and flat rate tariffs that do not hamper the > > > ability of people to trade in America to be initiating force. You > > can > > > speak to any nobel prize winning economist you like to see if 3% > > > hampers their ability to trade. People do NOT have the RIGHT to > > bring > > > goods into America to sell in our markets. This is a PRIVILEDGE, > > not > > > a right. > > > > > > Usage fees & excise taxes can be avoided by not using those services > > > and tariffs can be avoided by purchasing goods made in America. > > This > > > means there is no force what-so-ever. If you CHOOSE to buy imported > > > goods, you CHOOSE to willingly pay the extremely low tariffs > > > associated with it. The overall price of the product does not go > > up, > > > and in fact compared to our current tariffs, it would most likely > > go down. > > > > > > I say using tariffs and excise taxes (which are not the initiation > > of > > > force) we can fund 100% of the Constitutional parts of government. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], <boyd.w.smith@> wrote: > > > > > > > > From: Paul <ptireland@> > > > > > Also, as far as funding a limited government, it can be funded > > > > > completely without taxing income, but not completely without > > taxation. > > > > > This is the true dilemma of real libertarianism (aka...NOT > > > > > anarchy). > > > > > > > > So then according to you, initiating a little force is ok if it is > > > only a little force and for a good cause? > > > > > > > > BWS > > > > > > > > > > ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
