Don't get drawn into Paul's irrelevant metaphor game Cory, its a tactic he uses to remove all sense and conection to realty, when he is in trouble in a discussion. Drop the lemons and talk about your rights to property, and he will not be able to answer untill he admits his previous mistakes.
--- In [email protected], Cory Nott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If I set up a lemonade stand on my property and sell lemonade for $1 per cup, a good price considering the cost of lemons in the store, and my neighbor buys his lemons from Mexico and charges $.75 per cup, what right do I have to ensure that he pays tariffs on those lemons? How am I being harmed by his imports other than that buyers are no longer willing to pay $1 per cup for lemonade. I haven't been deprived of anything by force - I merely have to find another way to compete. However, charging a tariff on Mexican lemons deprives the owner of those lemons of some of his property - that is, his money. > > > > > Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You have the right to buy anything that is legally for sale. You > don't have the right to buy things that are illegally being sold such > as stolen or smuggled property. The government offers a privilege for > people to sell foreign goods in America if they pay a tariff. This is > completely unrelated with what you're allowed to buy. > > If someone sets up a lemonade stand in my front yard without my > permission, and I kick them out, you're trying to tell me I'm > violating your right to buy lemonade from my property which I'm not. > > If your idea of liberty includes trespassing against others with > impunity, I don't know what to say to you. > > > > --- In [email protected], "uncoolrabbit" <uncoolrabbit@> > wrote: > > > > How about BUYING goods Paul. Do you claim the goverment has > > authority to tell Americans what they have a right ot buy and what > > they have a privlage to buy, as if the people got their authority > > from the goverment, and not the goverment from the people Paul? > > > > The goverment, in your opinion, gives us the privilage of deciding > > what we buy? Is this realy liberty Paul? Is this not agression, > > coersion of the American people to buy what the goverment aproves > > of, giving it power to coerce other peoples threw trade agreements? > > Is this your vission of Liberty Paul? That only a chosen few can > > tell me what I can or can not buy? > > > > If thats your idea of Liberty Paul, I don't know what more to say to > > you. > > > > --- In [email protected], "Paul" <ptireland@> wrote: > > > > > > Selling foreign goods in America IS NOT A RIGHT....it is a > > PRIVILEGE. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "terry12622000" <cottondrop@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Buying and selling is a right if both the buyer and seller > > agreed, > > > > the government has no right to say the seller can not sell or > > the > > > > buyer buy goods and services that do not harm non contractual > > > > parties. Now true if every property owner has the right to secde > > from > > > > the government a tax could be a membership fee and actually a > > users > > > > fee not a tax. If there was a fee on both imports and exports if > > the > > > > secding merchant wished to trade with people in the US they > > would > > > > still be paying the tax, if they traded only with foreign > > companies > > > > yet the foreign companies traded with the US the seceding > > merchant > > > > would be paying the tax indirectly but if they did not trade > > with the > > > > US or their trades with others can not connected with the US > > then > > > > they will not pay the tax. > > > > Outside trade may not be a problem with those that live on the > > > > border or on the coast but it might for landlock property > > > > owners. > > > > Still it could be argued that the US or a state has no > > right to > > > > landlock a property owner unless the property owner is a clear > > > > security risk. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Paul" <ptireland@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > No. That isn't what I said. Perhaps you should read it > > again. > > > > > > > > > > I will go on record as saying, "Not all taxation is theft and > > not > > > > all > > > > > taxation is force." > > > > > > > > > > I consider any tax on your rights to be an act of force. I do > > not > > > > > consider extremely low and flat rate tariffs that do not > > hamper the > > > > > ability of people to trade in America to be initiating force. > > You > > > > can > > > > > speak to any nobel prize winning economist you like to see if > > 3% > > > > > hampers their ability to trade. People do NOT have the RIGHT > > to > > > > bring > > > > > goods into America to sell in our markets. This is a > > PRIVILEDGE, > > > > not > > > > > a right. > > > > > > > > > > Usage fees & excise taxes can be avoided by not using those > > services > > > > > and tariffs can be avoided by purchasing goods made in > > America. > > > > This > > > > > means there is no force what-so-ever. If you CHOOSE to buy > > imported > > > > > goods, you CHOOSE to willingly pay the extremely low tariffs > > > > > associated with it. The overall price of the product does not > > go > > > > up, > > > > > and in fact compared to our current tariffs, it would most > > likely > > > > go down. > > > > > > > > > > I say using tariffs and excise taxes (which are not the > > initiation > > > > of > > > > > force) we can fund 100% of the Constitutional parts of > > government. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], <boyd.w.smith@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Paul <ptireland@> > > > > > > > Also, as far as funding a limited government, it can be > > funded > > > > > > > completely without taxing income, but not completely > > without > > > > taxation. > > > > > > > This is the true dilemma of real libertarianism (aka...NOT > > > > > > > anarchy). > > > > > > > > > > > > So then according to you, initiating a little force is ok if > > it is > > > > > only a little force and for a good cause? > > > > > > > > > > > > BWS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Libertarian English language Political parties Online dictionary American politics > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! 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