You didn't even adress what I was talking about Paul, are you trying to use BushCheney speak tactics, becasue just becasue they use them doesn't mean it will work for you, it doesn't even mean it works for them when they do it.
If I personaly buy products in one country, and I am an American, in America, and want to move my own legaly purchased, and rightfully owned possesions, from said country to my home property, and then resell them at my own discression, you feel the goverment has some right to charge me a fee for the privalage of transporting and selling my own property. Explain how, in a Libertarian society, that is just and right. --- In [email protected], "Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You have the right to buy anything that is legally for sale. You > don't have the right to buy things that are illegally being sold such > as stolen or smuggled property. The government offers a privilege for > people to sell foreign goods in America if they pay a tariff. This is > completely unrelated with what you're allowed to buy. > > If someone sets up a lemonade stand in my front yard without my > permission, and I kick them out, you're trying to tell me I'm > violating your right to buy lemonade from my property which I'm not. > > If your idea of liberty includes trespassing against others with > impunity, I don't know what to say to you. > > > > --- In [email protected], "uncoolrabbit" <uncoolrabbit@> > wrote: > > > > How about BUYING goods Paul. Do you claim the goverment has > > authority to tell Americans what they have a right ot buy and what > > they have a privlage to buy, as if the people got their authority > > from the goverment, and not the goverment from the people Paul? > > > > The goverment, in your opinion, gives us the privilage of deciding > > what we buy? Is this realy liberty Paul? Is this not agression, > > coersion of the American people to buy what the goverment aproves > > of, giving it power to coerce other peoples threw trade agreements? > > Is this your vission of Liberty Paul? That only a chosen few can > > tell me what I can or can not buy? > > > > If thats your idea of Liberty Paul, I don't know what more to say to > > you. > > > > --- In [email protected], "Paul" <ptireland@> wrote: > > > > > > Selling foreign goods in America IS NOT A RIGHT....it is a > > PRIVILEGE. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "terry12622000" <cottondrop@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Buying and selling is a right if both the buyer and seller > > agreed, > > > > the government has no right to say the seller can not sell or > > the > > > > buyer buy goods and services that do not harm non contractual > > > > parties. Now true if every property owner has the right to secde > > from > > > > the government a tax could be a membership fee and actually a > > users > > > > fee not a tax. If there was a fee on both imports and exports if > > the > > > > secding merchant wished to trade with people in the US they > > would > > > > still be paying the tax, if they traded only with foreign > > companies > > > > yet the foreign companies traded with the US the seceding > > merchant > > > > would be paying the tax indirectly but if they did not trade > > with the > > > > US or their trades with others can not connected with the US > > then > > > > they will not pay the tax. > > > > Outside trade may not be a problem with those that live on the > > > > border or on the coast but it might for landlock property > > > > owners. > > > > Still it could be argued that the US or a state has no > > right to > > > > landlock a property owner unless the property owner is a clear > > > > security risk. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Paul" <ptireland@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > No. That isn't what I said. Perhaps you should read it > > again. > > > > > > > > > > I will go on record as saying, "Not all taxation is theft and > > not > > > > all > > > > > taxation is force." > > > > > > > > > > I consider any tax on your rights to be an act of force. I do > > not > > > > > consider extremely low and flat rate tariffs that do not > > hamper the > > > > > ability of people to trade in America to be initiating force. > > You > > > > can > > > > > speak to any nobel prize winning economist you like to see if > > 3% > > > > > hampers their ability to trade. People do NOT have the RIGHT > > to > > > > bring > > > > > goods into America to sell in our markets. This is a > > PRIVILEDGE, > > > > not > > > > > a right. > > > > > > > > > > Usage fees & excise taxes can be avoided by not using those > > services > > > > > and tariffs can be avoided by purchasing goods made in > > America. > > > > This > > > > > means there is no force what-so-ever. If you CHOOSE to buy > > imported > > > > > goods, you CHOOSE to willingly pay the extremely low tariffs > > > > > associated with it. The overall price of the product does not > > go > > > > up, > > > > > and in fact compared to our current tariffs, it would most > > likely > > > > go down. > > > > > > > > > > I say using tariffs and excise taxes (which are not the > > initiation > > > > of > > > > > force) we can fund 100% of the Constitutional parts of > > government. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], <boyd.w.smith@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Paul <ptireland@> > > > > > > > Also, as far as funding a limited government, it can be > > funded > > > > > > > completely without taxing income, but not completely > > without > > > > taxation. > > > > > > > This is the true dilemma of real libertarianism (aka...NOT > > > > > > > anarchy). > > > > > > > > > > > > So then according to you, initiating a little force is ok if > > it is > > > > > only a little force and for a good cause? > > > > > > > > > > > > BWS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian Yahoo! 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