Wrong. We're here to talk about your entirely false allegations that I support any initiation of force. I only support force when it is used to stop aggression. In this case, I support force to prevent those who intend to trespass.
And if you read the thread, you'll see I wasn't the person who brought up Iraq. --- In [email protected], "uncoolrabbit" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > However Paul, we are not talking about Iraq in this thread, don't be > so eager to let the thread be steered away from where it started. > > We are here to talk about your support of limited initiation of > force. > > > --- In [email protected], "Paul" <ptireland@> wrote: > > > > There is not a single actual libertarian on earth who supports the > war > > in Iraq because supporting the war in Iraq automatically exludes > you > > from being a libertarian. > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Geof Gibson" <geofgibson@> > wrote: > > > > > > "3) What does the war in Iraq have to do with my discussion > about > > > tariffs?" > > > > > > Simply that it is disingenuous to state, "I support using force > > > against those who violate the rights, person, or property of > > > non-consenting others.", when your previous statements indicate > you > > > don't give a darn about the liberty of many others. If you > meant what > > > you said, you wouldn't cling so violently to statements > regarding the > > > absolute nature of the NAP. Support for the initiation of force > > > against those who violate rights, persons, and property is > support for > > > the use of force to accomplish social and politcal ends. This > is a > > > direct contradiction of the NAP. > > > These examples are used to highlight a lack of consistency in > > philosophy. > > > > > > And, of course, the Libertarian justification for war (any war), > is > > > self defense. It is not a requirement of the NAP to wait for a > > > dictator to fully execute threats before eliminating that threat. > > > We can argue wheather threats made were credible and actions > taken > > > were the best choice, but self defense is a firmly established > > > Libertarian principle. > > > ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
