--- In [email protected], <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Oh! So now my property is our property? That sounds like communism to me.
No, my property is my property and your property is your property. And if you want to sell your goods on my property (The American markets belong to the American people) you must pay for the privilege if those goods come from another country. This isn't force. It's not coercion. It's not a claim on your property. Nobody is claiming to own any of your property. You can own whatever you want, and you can sell whatever you want, but if you want to foreign goods here, you must pay for the privilege of having access to the American markets. If you sell domestic goods, you can avoid this. If you choose to go with foreign goods over domestic, you are choosing to pay the tariff and nobody is forcing you into that. > This is the point you continuously fail to prove. That this is the right and proper thing to do. As it involve the initiation of force and the assumption that what people own does not belong to them it is obviously not the libertarian thing to do. No, this is the point that I've proven sucessfully dozens of times now. Tariffs don't require the initiation of force. You are CHOOSING to pay a tariff if you're CHOOSING to import goods from another country. You don't have to choose to import foreign goods. You could sell domestic goods. If you try to sell those goods here without paying the tariff, it is YOU who are initiating force, not me. > No they are so very different. If I sell my property on my property I have not in any way trespassed against you. If you are saying that you have a moral claim on my efforts, then prove it. I have never claimed to have a moral claim to your efforts or your property. I have said that if you want to sell your foreign goods (which I don't claim to have any ownership of) within MY country, you must pay for the privilege. You do not have a RIGHT to sell those goods here, but you can buy the privilege to do it. I, along with all other Americans, legitimately, honestly, morally, and ethically own the privilege of selling goods inside the borders of America. And we have said that we will not charge each other for selling domestic goods here, but we will charge for selling foreign goods. If you sell your goods in the mall, they are not claiming any ownership of your goods. They own the space in which you sell it. The same is true of the American markets. > > You are claiming that you own them. You must prove it. I have proven that I own the market in conjunction with my buyers because we create it by our actions. You have nothing to do with that creation and therefore no claim on it. Prove otherwise. > > BWS > I've already proven I own the markets in America by being an America. The people of Australia own the markets of Australia. I can't just show up with a boat load of things and start selling them to Australian people simply because I want to and because I own the goods. The people of Australia decide what goods will be imported and whether they will charge for that privilege. If they charge me to sell those goods within the borders of Australia, I have not been wronged. They aren't claiming ownership of my property. They aren't initiating force against me by charging me for the privilege of having access to the Australian markets. They are doing what the people of Australia granted them the power and authority to do. ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
