From: Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I have proven several times over that tariffs are not a form of force
> or theft in any way with logical, reasonable, factual arguments 
> from a libertarian standpoint.  I discussed it to great length and your
> arguments consisted of "nuh uh!".

1)  I own the property.  By the right of property.
2)  I have the right to move my property were I wish as long as I have the 
permission of all the private property owners across which my path takes me.  
By the right of property.
3)  I have the right as a willing seller to sell my property to any willing 
buyer.  By the right of property.
4)  Any market that exist only exist in a period of time and in a place where 
the buyer and seller engaged in a particular transaction takes place.  In other 
words that market is wholly created by those buyers and sellers and they have 
complete and total ownership of what they have created and any other party not 
mentioned is uninvolved.  By the right to property, the right to ownership of 
one's own life, and the right to liberty.
5)  Any attempt by a third party (in this case government or a Mafia) who 
attempts to interfere or to take any part of what they have no part in, is 
initiating force against innocent persons and is liable for retaliatory force 
in direct proportion to the amount of force initiated.  By NAP/ZAP/RPAT/ect.

This is a logical argument.  It is is no way "nuh uh!" and it is what I have 
stated over and over and over again.  It constitutes logical proof.  You have 
never been able to refute any of these parts of this arguments.  All you have 
ever said is "it is not that way because I say so."  That is not a logical 
argument.  And just because government need the money to survive, is not a 
justification that it should get it.  In fact I would go so far as to say that 
anything that can not survive with out resorting to the initiation of force is 
either a predatory or parasitical agency and does not need to survive.

> Any claims you make that I support theft or infringement of our rights
> by government are an outright lie.  Your laughable attempts to paint
> tariffs as a form of force were shut down time and time again by me.  

Once again things are not so just because you say so.  I have proved above and 
many many times before that tariffs are a form of theft and force.  You have 
yet to come up with a cogent or logical or even a good argument refuting what i 
have said concerning tariffs.  And it is either a delusion or an outright lie 
to say that you have.

BWS


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