If we must rehash this ok. I have refuted all of your claims so many times I can do it in an instant. Here is a refutation of your bogus claims on a point by point basis. My arguments are more logical, reasonable, intelligent, and libertarian than yours. So once again, you are wrong. It's a fact to say I've shut down your feeble attempt to put together a cogent argument on this topic dozens of times and delusional and dishonest to claim otherwise.
1. You own your property. Nobody has disputed that. 2. You have the right to move your property unless it's across national borders in which case, you pay purchase the PRIVILEGE. 3. You have the right to sell your property to a willing seller assuming you're not smuggling your property across national borders. For instance, if you buy property in Australia, you can probably sell it to anyone in Australia, but might have to pay a tariff (which is NOT an infringement of your right of ownership) to sell those goods within America. 4. A market does not exist for the period of time it takes for one person to sell a good or service to another. The term "market" is used to describe buying and selling within a particular location. And if you sell within that location (in this case within the borders of that country) you are subject to the rules of that market (aka the laws) and you must pay a fee for the protection of the market and access to the market for your goods. Whether or not you own land or anything else within those borders does not give excuse you from having to pay for the privilege of selling foreign goods in the market. 5. Tariffs are not made by an uninterested third party and are not an infringement of your property rights. In fact they have absolutely no connection to your property rights at all, and have everything to do with the property rights of all the other people in America. You don't have a right to sell your property in my yard. My charging you to sell it in my yard is not an infringement of your property rights even if someone else wants to buy your goods. IT IS NOT YOUR YARD AND NOTHING YOU SAY WILL CHANGE THAT. --- In [email protected], <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > From: Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I have proven several times over that tariffs are not a form of force > > or theft in any way with logical, reasonable, factual arguments > > from a libertarian standpoint. I discussed it to great length and your > > arguments consisted of "nuh uh!". > > 1) I own the property. By the right of property. > 2) I have the right to move my property were I wish as long as I have the permission of all the private property owners across which my path takes me. By the right of property. > 3) I have the right as a willing seller to sell my property to any willing buyer. By the right of property. > 4) Any market that exist only exist in a period of time and in a place where the buyer and seller engaged in a particular transaction takes place. In other words that market is wholly created by those buyers and sellers and they have complete and total ownership of what they have created and any other party not mentioned is uninvolved. By the right to property, the right to ownership of one's own life, and the right to liberty. > 5) Any attempt by a third party (in this case government or a Mafia) who attempts to interfere or to take any part of what they have no part in, is initiating force against innocent persons and is liable for retaliatory force in direct proportion to the amount of force initiated. By NAP/ZAP/RPAT/ect. > > This is a logical argument. It is is no way "nuh uh!" and it is what I have stated over and over and over again. It constitutes logical proof. You have never been able to refute any of these parts of this arguments. All you have ever said is "it is not that way because I say so." That is not a logical argument. And just because government need the money to survive, is not a justification that it should get it. In fact I would go so far as to say that anything that can not survive with out resorting to the initiation of force is either a predatory or parasitical agency and does not need to survive. > > > Any claims you make that I support theft or infringement of our rights > > by government are an outright lie. Your laughable attempts to paint > > tariffs as a form of force were shut down time and time again by me. > > Once again things are not so just because you say so. I have proved above and many many times before that tariffs are a form of theft and force. You have yet to come up with a cogent or logical or even a good argument refuting what i have said concerning tariffs. And it is either a delusion or an outright lie to say that you have. > > BWS > ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
