I have been to www.cbs.com and have not yet been able to find the poll. Any assistance would be welcome. Especially since the news reports of last week, probably censored though they were, I am now completely convinced that we have an invasion problem, not an immigration problem. If people come here to work and don't take welfare, that is one thing. If criminals come here to "take back" the Southwest, including Texas, and "return" it to Mexico, I am reminded of the time that Jesus said to sell one coat and buy a sword. Perhaps I am not that good a Christian but I see no need to allow our country to be overwhelmed. Again, I recommend Dr. John Hospers' article "A Libertarian Argument Against Open Borders" http://www.mises.org/journals/jls/13_2/13_2_3.pdf
For life and liberty, David Macko ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry L Parker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 1:06 PM Subject: [Libertarian] Re: Immigration > Dave, thank you for the good wishes and please accept mine for you > and yours :) > > The scripture you quote below is from the Ten Commandments. Do you > really beleive that Jesus would say this to those of the currently > illegal aliens who are just here to live and work? On what basis is > this a tresspass against others? I'm not referring to criminal > assaulters (domestic or imported). > > I would have thought that the Christ described in the Bible would > have urged loving compassion rather than hostile rejection of such > oppressed people. > > > -Terry Liberty Parker > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TerryLiberty > > > > --- In [email protected], "David Macko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Thank you. I will check that when I have time >> and respond to you. >> Regarding illegal aliens, I think that He would say >> "Thou shalt not trespass against others". However, >> I am not a theologian nor even a very good Christian >> so I do not maintain absolute certainty on this matter. >> This comment also offers an opportunity to wish you and >> other members on this list who celebrate it a happy Easter, >> whether you celebrate this Sunday or on the 23rd. >> >> For life and liberty, >> David Macko >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Terry L Parker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 11:36 AM >> Subject: [Libertarian] Re: Immigration >> >> >> > Dave, go to the CBS web site, examine the poll released by >> > them on Monday, then let us know your take! >> > >> > Btw, regarding currently illegal aliens per se, what would >> > Jesus do? >> > >> > >> > -Terry Liberty Parker >> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TerryLiberty >> > >> > >> > >> > --- In [email protected], "David Macko" <dmacko@> wrote: >> >> >> >> I would be interested in seeing the exact wording >> >> of the poll. Many times poll results are manipulated by >> >> the manner in which questions are phrased. >> >> >> >> For life and liberty, >> >> David Macko >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Terry L Parker" <txliberty@> >> >> To: <[email protected]> >> >> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 10:00 AM >> >> Subject: [Libertarian] Re: Immigration >> >> >> >> >> >> > Uncoolrabbit, I'm disgusted by this reasoning :( >> >> > >> >> > They are human beings asking to not be made felons for just >> >> > living and working. Also, CBS poll released this past Monday >> >> > sez that three quaters of Americans APPROVE the concept of >> >> > providing currentlly illegal aliens with a path to legality. >> >> > >> >> > What fucking political calculation is needed here! >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > -Terry Liberty Parker >> >> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TerryLiberty >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > --- In [email protected], "uncoolrabbit" >> > <uncoolrabbit@> >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> I was talking about it from a political point of view not an >> >> >> idealogical point of view. I do apreciate local control, but > I >> >> > don't >> >> >> have some phobia of being walled out of Mexico either. We > agree >> > on >> >> >> some things, disagree on others. I am in favor of open >> > imigration >> >> > in >> >> >> theory but there are many issues to adress on the road to > this >> >> >> honorable goal. So I stand by my statement that political > gains >> >> > from >> >> >> speaking out on the right thing to do will bring little gain > if >> > any >> >> >> as it would alienate the closet protectionists while failing > to >> >> > grab >> >> >> a substantial chunk of the democratic support. As a whole the >> > party >> >> >> would gain little. Individuals stand to gain alot however, >> >> > especialy >> >> >> a hispanic libertarian politician who wanted to use the > moment >> > for >> >> >> instant political gains. >> >> >> >> >> >> Im pro imigration terry, I am just saying it would not cause >> > long >> >> >> term increased success for the party at a national level. I > can >> > see >> >> >> it doing alot for the party in southwestern states though. I > was >> > in >> >> >> Texas for almost two years and I will be back there again > soon, >> > and >> >> >> many of the nicest people I knew down there were Mexican >> > migrants, >> >> > I >> >> >> know there not criminals or dangerous people but my stance on > a >> >> > need >> >> >> to document imigrants and migrants remains becasue it is not >> > only >> >> >> Latine Americans who cross north over the Rio Grande. If you >> > look >> >> >> into past news you might find mention of the 4 Pakistani's > who >> > were >> >> >> aprehended after slipping into Texas, and spent an absurdley >> > long >> >> >> time in US custody for being mere ilegal imigrants, as they > were >> >> > not >> >> >> mere ilegal imigrants. >> >> >> >> >> >> I never said stick our heads in the sand, I said flashing our >> >> >> tailfeathers wont turn as many heads as the post I replied to >> >> >> implied. >> >> >> >> >> >> --- In [email protected], "terry12622000" >> > <cottondrop@> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> > No you are wrong Uncool Rabbit, libertarians sticking their >> > heads >> >> >> in >> >> >> > the sand or zipping their lips would not be a good > stradegy >> >> > move, >> >> >> > taking a stand would be but it needs to a thought out > stand, >> >> >> > immigration is a human rights and property rights issue, it > is >> > a >> >> >> > local issue ( being that you are a green libertarian you >> > should >> >> > be >> >> >> > able to appreciate and communicate the importance of local >> >> >> control) >> >> >> > that can preculde Open borders but it does not include the >> >> > federal >> >> >> > government having immigration laws especially heavy handed >> >> >> dracionan >> >> >> > laws and it is very important that the federal government > does >> >> > not >> >> >> > build my dear Senator Bill Frisk's big wall on the border, >> > walls >> >> >> can >> >> >> > keep people in as well as keep them out.--- In >> >> >> > [email protected], "uncoolrabbit" <uncoolrabbit@> >> > wrote: >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > It might have been missed in the intial post... that the >> >> > massive >> >> >> > > latino protests are not about imigration. They are about >> > ilegal >> >> >> > > imigration. Pro imigration is great, but the right stance > on >> > it >> >> >> > right >> >> >> > > now won't bring the political success imagined as the > right >> >> >> > approach >> >> >> > > is not to support ilegal imigration, wich also would only >> > bring >> >> >> its >> >> >> > > greatest success with non americans. The LP getting vocal >> > here >> >> >> > would >> >> >> > > serve to divide the already small LP, and give undue > credit >> > to >> >> >> the >> >> >> > > administration. There is a mass of issues that must be >> > resolved >> >> >> > before >> >> >> > > open imigration should hit the LP political table, >> > everything >> >> >> from >> >> >> > > imigration system reform to ending the welfare state. >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > I would say this is a good time to say mum is the word, >> > going >> >> >> pro >> >> >> > > ilegal imigration will not wrestle some great hispanic >> > support >> >> >> for >> >> >> > the >> >> >> > > LP away from the democrats. ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
