against the war and has thought out the logical consequences for a
withdrawal. Thanks for your post.
WG
--- In [email protected], "hrearden_hr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
>
>
> I believe that what would happen if soldiers left Iraq now is that
> violence would esculate between factions over control of the
> country. Howver, I believe that if soldiers were to leave Iraq 10
> years for now that would still be true. The difference between
> leaving Iraq now than at some point in the future is that staying
in
> Iraq will result in more soldiers being killed and dying and alot
of
> treasure being spent. Leaving now would mean no more soldiers would
> die in Iraq and no more treasure would be spent keeping soldiers in
> Iraq.
>
> $
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In [email protected], "wgilbert02" <buckygilbert@>
> wrote:
> >
> > I agree with everything you have said here. Everyone is arguing
> > over the BS reasons that ole George gave for invading. I too
> > thought it was crap. My logic herein is not to simply spend the
> > rest of eternity crying over the pretext for war. I would rather
> > argue over what should be done. ABSOLUTLEY NO ONE here has
> answered
> > what would happen if we left Iraq right now. I've wanted someone
> to
> > explain what the consequences are of leaving and all I get are
> > analogies to robbing a damn bank, told that 1 american life and 1
> > american tax dollar is not worth freeing 30 million people (which
> is
> > not what I think we are doing in Iraq), that every war since WWII
> > has been illegal and unconstitutional (I agree with some of
this),
> > and more analogies and metaphores about Germany, etc. All i'm
> > disagreeing with is what should be done now, so please spare me
> the
> > lecture on the 'illegal war in Iraq.' I get it, i'm on your
side.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In [email protected], "mark robert" <colowe@> wrote:
> > >
> > > William,
> > >
> > > Regarding the Iraq War
> > > The ends do not justify the means, especially when the original
> > > end was a lie, when the means is war/death, and when the revised
> > > end claims to justify the original - and a continuation of an
> > > endless mean. For a little clarity and perspective, try applying
> > > the govt "ethics"/"logic" on a smaller scale. A person trying to
> > > justify the continuation of his mistake on the fact that it WAS
a
> > > mistake, was HIS mistake, was a BAD mistake, and has been going
> > > on for a long time, is beyond most people's level of
> > > comprehension. Yet somehow many seem to be able to accept this
> > > same rationale on a national scale. There is nothing rational or
> > > ethical about continuing this war/mistake. Unjustified
aggression
> > > does not defend further aggression any more than past spouse
> > > abuse defends more spouse abuse. Nor does harm resulting from
> > > past abuse defend further abuse, which is another "nonsanism"
> > > (even more insane, if that's possible) commonly heard coming
from
> > > state/war supporters.
> > >
> > > I know you are new here, but if you are gonna get "personally
> > > offended" so easily, put on your steel-toed shoes. No one here
> > > walks on egg shells for anybody, or avoids sensitive toes.
> > >
> > > American Libertarianism is precisely that. Just like our
> > > constitution, the LP / philosophy does not value world
domination
> > > over domestic goals. If a chance to spread liberty abroad
> > > presents itself, I'm sure any Libertarian would jump on it; but
> > > not if it comes at the expense of liberty at home. It's really a
> > > very simple matter of basic priorities: America comes first. Do
> > > you really think we Americans are in Iraq because we love them
> > > more than ourselves??
> > >
> > > -Mark
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ************
> > > {American jurors have complete Constitutional authority to vote
> > > "not guilty" based on nothing more than a disagreement with the
> > > case, no matter the evidence - despite the judge's instructions.
> > > There is absolutely no obligation to vote "guilty" to arrive at
a
> > > unanimous verdict. Get on a jury, stand your ground, and fulfill
> > > its other main purpose: to counteract abusive government and
> > > unjust lawsuits.
> > > See www.fija.org
> > > [Please adopt this as your own signature.] }
> > >
> > > --------------------
> > >
> > >
> > > I must agree with you here Eric. I had issues with the war and
> > > still
> > > do, but we are at war and must hope to achieve our objectives
and
> > >
> > > quit harping on the past. I suppose my logic here would be:
> > > although
> > > I have issues with the origins of the war, defeat at the hands
of
> > >
> > > Islamo-Fascists, irregardless of the pretext for war, is
> > > certainly
> > > far worse than winning the war and achieving our said
objectives,
> > >
> > > irregardless of my personal disagreements.
> > >
> > > I simply find it amusing that those in this forum who front
> > > liberty
> > > and freedom as their mantra, loathe the attempted spread of
such
> > > liberties to others. I believe Paul claimed that not 1 American
> > > life
> > > would be worth achieving our objectives in Iraq. I find such
> > > remarks
> > > personnally offensive, because I percieve the political pretext
> > > to
> > > such a statement to have an underlying sentiment that liberty
> > > and
> > > freedom is reserved simply for us, even if that is not what
> > > leftist
> > > libertarians actually believe.
> > >
> > > William
> > >
> >
>
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