Take as many hours as you need to read
all of it. Since my time is valuable, I do not
intend to spend more of it on this subject with
anyone who has not done so.
For life and liberty,
David Macko
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 7:58 PM
Subject: [Libertarian] Re: Badnarik on Immigration
> To claim someone else's opinion matters is to say that we do not own
> our own bodies or the organisms within our own body. Do deny that we
> have sole dominion over our own body and the organisms within it? You
> obviously are trying to attribute human life onto an organism that
> doesn't have it. And eveyr single time you compare abortion to the
> holocaust or racism, you're only making your own argument look more
> and more stupid and pointless. There is no parallel whatsoever.
>
> You failed to address the fact that a fetus has no human life. You
> claim it does, but that is merely YOUR opinion which is worthless.
> The only opinion that matters from a LIBERTARIAN perspective is that of
> the pregnant woman.
>
> You have NOTHING to back your point of view, while mine is 100%
> compatable with libertarian philosophy.
>
> So I say, "a brick has no human life", and you say, "the germans
> thought the jews had no human life". I say "We own ourselves and
> nobody else's opinion matters when it comes to our own body or the
> organisms within that body" you reply with "The Nazis thought their
> opinion was the only one that matters". Nothing you've said refutes
> anything I've said. If I say, "a dog has no human life", you'll say
> "the KKK doesn't think black people are human". What does that have
> to do with the conversation?
>
> So the question is clear. It's a yes or no question. If you're
> intellectually honest, you won't answer it with anything other than a
> yes or no.
>
> Do you believe that we have sole dominion over our own body and the
> organisms within that body?
>
> Yes or No?
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In [email protected], "uncoolrabbit" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>>
>> And no ones opinions matter Accept the PURE germans, and no ones
>> opinions matter accept the superior WHITES. Your a perfect paralel
>> Paul. I am not here to discuss what your not willing to discuss.
>> Rather, what place the discussion should have and why.
>>
>> --- In [email protected], "Paul" <ptireland@> wrote:
>> >
>> > Yes, everyone has an opinion and none of the opinions matter but
>> the
>> > pregnant woman. Not yours, not mine, and not the American
>> people's.
>> > No position other than full support for the right of women to have
>> an
>> > abortion at any state of pregnancy from conception to birth is a
>> > libertarian one. No claims that a fetus has human rights have any
>> > more merit than claiming a tapeworm or a tumor has human rights.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --- In [email protected], "uncoolrabbit" <uncoolrabbit@>
>> > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Opinions are worthless Paul, every one has atleast a few. You
>> gave
>> > > me your opinion, legislation written on opinion rather than
>> factual
>> > > logic is no diferent than the conservative right's imposition of
>> > > morale laws, or the lefts imposiiton of rob from the rich steal
>> from
>> > > the poor and is in every way shape and form the tool of a
>> statist.
>> > >
>> > > --- In [email protected], "Paul" <ptireland@> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > In the case of abortion, there is no aggression directed at a
>> > > child.
>> > > > There is no child to aggress against. A fetus is alive in the
>> same
>> > > > way a tumor is alive. Both have human dna cells. Both have
>> the
>> > > same
>> > > > amount of human life....NONE.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > --- In [email protected], "uncoolrabbit"
>> <uncoolrabbit@>
>> > > > wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > The other day I remembered why I was drawn to
>> Libertarianism. A
>> > > > > friend, who is republican, said that there needs to be a
>> dress
>> > > code
>> > > > > in schools. (He is a teacher). I asked why, he said the
>> other
>> > > day a
>> > > > > kid came in wearing a shirt that said 'buck fuddy'. I asked
>> him
>> > > > > what that means, and he went on a tiraid of cliches rather
>> than
>> > > > > explaining why he felt that there should be a dress code,
>> and
>> > > asked
>> > > > > me why I 'took the kids side.' I said I haven't taken a
>> side,
>> > > but
>> > > > > the default should always be that people have there own
>> personal
>> > > > > freedoms.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > There is alot of room in Libertarianism for logic, a person
>> can
>> > > do
>> > > > > anything that does not hurt anouther. I believe a real
>> > > philosophical
>> > > > > victory would come from adhering to a policy on defending
>> > > liberty
>> > > > > within the confines of not injuring others. There is alot to
>> be
>> > > said
>> > > > > on both sides here, so we must, to achieve a 'philosophical
>> > > triumph'
>> > > > > hold to our philosophical values, as you Terry said to me,
>> what
>> > > was
>> > > > > it, something to the effect of if you do not stand for
>> something
>> > > you
>> > > > > stand for nothing? Back to the point, a principle that many
>> > > here, I
>> > > > > think even Paul, have claimed to support is tracing
>> initiation
>> > > of
>> > > > > force to its source in determing who is the agressor, or
>> where
>> > > the
>> > > > > agression is comming from.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > In the case of Abortion, were is the agression comming from,
>> is
>> > > it
>> > > > > comming from the child? Not hardly, the child did not exhist
>> > > prior
>> > > > > to conception and had no conscious part in it. It was
>> actions
>> > > taken
>> > > > > by the parents that are responsible for its very being. This
>> is
>> > > an
>> > > > > important to mention, responsible, as the are responsible
>> for
>> > > this
>> > > > > life.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > The fetus, for Paul who enjoys the term, is alive, and
>> abortion
>> > > > > terminates that life, it kills the fetus, who is not
>> responsible
>> > > for
>> > > > > the condition of the mother. The agression is the act of the
>> > > > > responsible party, terminating the very exhistance of the
>> 2nd
>> > > party
>> > > > > to avoid there own responsibilities and consequences of
>> there
>> > > > > actions. Nothing could be to me, more unlibertarian.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I however, do understand that not every one thinks like me,
>> and
>> > > > > believe there should not be a federal law banning abortion.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Also, I just want to say, if I haven't before, that I love
>> > > hearing
>> > > > > from you on the board Thomas.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > --- In [email protected], "Thomas L. Knapp"
>> > > > > <thomaslknapp@> wrote:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Quoth Boyd:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > > It may be a philosophical victory
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > It would be neither philosophical nor a victory.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > In order for it to be "philosophical," it would have to
>> > > incorporate
>> > > > > > reasoned argument rather than simply bluster and attempted
>> > > > > > authoritative personal ukase.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > In order for it to be a "victory," it would have to elicit
>> a
>> > > > > reaction
>> > > > > > from its audience to the effect that it _is_ reasoned
>> argument
>> > > > > rather
>> > > > > > than bluster and ukase.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Tom Knapp
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