which need more than automatic presumptions as answers:
Personhood- At what point do rights and obligations accrue to a
developing human individual?
The spectrum of opinion is from the moment of conception (spiritual,
before physical zygote) thru physical gestation to birth and a few
years beyond (human infanticide is actually NOT regarded as murder in
some societies)
MoreAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/message/48519
*IF* you're taking the position that infanticide is also murder
(unjustifiable homicide) then present a rational case. Many ass/u/me
that normal human infants are actual persons (not just declared as
such by the US Constitution).
How and why is regarding infants as persons justified by a universal
application of libertarianism?
-Terry Liberty Parker
LIMITED vs UNIVERSAL Libertarianism
at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/message/48521
--- In [email protected], "mark robert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> TLP,
>
> Yes, I've read your criteria before. But I have to confess, I'm
> having trouble comprehending your/its position on infants,
> especially considering your other comments on infanticide. Maybe
> you could explain a little further?
>
> -Mark
>
>
>
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> -------------------
>
>
>
> Here are *my* 'tentative' COMBINED criteria for
> who or what gets to be regarded as a person:
>
> sentience- ability to consider essential
> information about one's environment
> (surroundings, situation and so on)
>
> agency- power to act in one's environment
>
> conscious volition- free will to intervene between
> stimulus and response by making meaningful choices;
> without which one can not be 'responsible' for
> one's actions that interface with other persons
>
> Imo, 'personhood' is about individual sovereigns
> (whose 'domains' are their own bodies and
> justly held possessions) being free moral agents;
> which still leaves room for acts of compassion :)
>
> Domains http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/message/30419
>
> Morals http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/message/37899
>
>
> There are three essential areas of moral concern about human
> abortion:
>
> 1. Personhood- At what point do rights and obligations accrue to
> a
> developing individual?
>
> The spectrum of opinion is from the moment of conception
> (spiritual, before physical zygote) thru physical gestation to
> birth
> and a few years beyond (human infanticide is actually NOT
> regarded as
> murder in some societies)
>
> 2. Obligation- If a developing individual is deemed a 'person'
> what, if any, duty to that person exists, to provide support?
>
> No person has an 'automatic' claim on the resources of another
> person to provide them with support. But, did voluntary action
> by the 'host' person create an obligation to the 'dependent'
> person?
>
> 3. Fatal Eviction- If a 'host' person has a right to deny support
> to a 'dependent' person, does said 'host' person's right to
> 'evict'
> the 'dependent' person include doing so in such a way that is
> fatal
> to said dependent?
>
>
> People of sincere conscience can be found on all sides of these
> three
> concerns.
>
>
> 'The unexamined life is not worth living'
> Socrates, in Plato, Dialogues, Apology
> Greek philosopher in Athens (469 BC - 399 BC)
> at http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/24198.html
>
> Please also enter the word consciousness at http://www.Google.com
>
>
> -Terry Liberty Parker
> see: 'Your Freedom and the Rigths of Others'
> at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/message/22990
>
>
>
>
> --- In [email protected], "mark robert" <colowe@>
> wrote:
> >
> > TLP,
> >
> > Sorry, I'm still missing your point. Or maybe you have none
> other
> > than to disprove mine. Surely you are not supporting the
> position
> > that infants do not have rights and can be killed. Maybe I'm
> > being dense, but you're gonna have to elaborate more than what
> > you have to get this one through to this ole boy.
> >
> > -Mark
> >
> >
>
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