Let me ask two things Mark....
WHAT do you suggest is a solution? The way I see it, see it, we have been
glued screwed and tatoo'd for decades now....are you suggesting that the
people will rise up and change things one day? I doubt that will ever
happen. Heck, the American people didn't even ger out of their barka
loungers when it turned out we invaded a country for no real reason. I
personally think it will take something so extreme, so devistating to wake
them up and inspire them to take even the smallest action as to be
nightmarish. Something like the government taking away the Cable TV access
and cutting the electric in the summer enough to stop the air conditioning!
MAYBE something like blocking American Idol or WHo Wants To Marry A
Millionare!
OK..,.sarcasm aside, are you suggesting a revolution? What ARE you
suggesting? Cause if you do not have an idea of how to solve these
problems....and so far I do not agree with all solutions but DO agree with
the premise behind them.....then this is just people talking.
On 6/29/06, mark robert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> John,
>
> We heed your advice about action, but don't appreciate your
> ridicule of our discussions. Don't underestimate the power of
> education via information. If anyone knows the sad state of our
> liberties, we do. Communications technology is a powerful tool
> for beneficial change. The internet is one last great hope for
> reaching a critical mass and affecting real change in basic
> attitudes responsible for great loss of liberty. Attitudes are
> the first things to change; everything else comes as a result.
> (As your posting here evidences your agreement [about the power
> of communication], despite your claim to not care whether you
> convince anybody.)
>
> -Mark
>
> PS: Again, per your comment appearing critical of private
> property, what are your views?
>
>
> ************
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> case, no matter the evidence - despite the judge's instructions.
> There is absolutely no obligation to vote "guilty" to arrive at a
> unanimous verdict. Get on a jury, stand your ground, and fulfill
> its other main purpose: to counteract abusive government and
> unjust lawsuits.
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>
> -------------------
>
> No Cory, I actually said just cry...or do something. I do not see
> a third
> choice, but share it with me if I missed it.
>
> SO what do you folks do? Stamp your feet and it is all unfair?
> You talk
> about Congress taking your rights and liberties...as if you can
> DO anything
> about that! Dudes, Congress went into a derailment in the early
> 1800's....they DO have that power whether you like it or not!
> Whether it is
> fair or Constitutional or it isn't.
>
> WHAT are your goals? Sit around and have nice neat square
> discussions about
> how things SHOULD be???? That ain't IT, IS IT???
>
> Do you expect to install a party in power that will overturn all
> these years
> of runaway Congress?
>
> Look, this started with my sharing the good news that a group of
> extremely
> damaged people are beginning to get back on their feet through
> their own
> efforts. You all turned it into this....'the Ute are taking my
> money'
> bullshit, not me. I pointed out that your 'one size fits all'
> philosophy is
> just pissing and moaning if you aren't DOING anything to change
> it. You cry
> foul over my points and I tell you to grow the fuck
> up....Congress may not
> have the power LEGITIMATELY, but they DO have it.
>
> So tell me folks....what you gonna do....stamp your feet and take
> it or do
> something about it?
>
> On 6/29/06, Cory Nott <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <corynott%40yahoo.com>> wrote:
> >
> > >>Get on the horn. Get
> > >>involved. Take action. Or, whine and cry and bemoan the fact
> that you
> > are
> > >>legally obliged to sit back and get nothing done. That treaty
> will stand
> > >>until Bush gets around to disolving it. Until then, all you
> can do is
> > cry
> > me
> > >> a river, cry over spilled milk, cry sour grapes. Period.
> >
> > John,
> >
> > I'm very active. I don't need to defend what it is I do in the
> political
> > arena in order to take a principled stand against the
> redistribution of
> > wealth and the anti-property rights that are the hallmark of US
> (federal
> > and
> > local) government today. Whether it's huge defense budgets and
> hundreds of
> > billions in borrowing, or tiny little programs which are paid
> for by the
> > fruit of my labor without my permission, it's anti-liberty.
> >
> > What I find interesting is that after several emails defending
> your
> > favorite
> > program, you finally resort to the usual statist line that if I
> don't like
> > it, I should get active and get on the horn with my congress
> critters and
> > tell them to stop spending money that way. I take it that means
> that
> > anything that is approved by Congress is perfectly appropriate
> because we
> > didn't object to it enough?
> >
> > Did you get involved and take action when Bush was "appointed"?
> Or are you
> > just crying us a river?
> >
> >
> > >>As for selling away all your rights, you have ALREADY lost
> your rights
> > to
> > >>privacy, protection against illegal wiretaps, free speech and
> protection
> > >>against illegal seach and seizures. Did you make a peep??? I
> think not.
> > Bush
> > >>has wiped his butt with that lil' document called the
> Constitution, and
> > I'd
> > >> expect he will just keep on going till he is stopped.
> >
> > Apparently you know what I've done. Have you made a peep, John?
> >
> > I'm not worried about what the Ute receive. What I know is that
> the
> > government that can take my money to give to the Ute can take
> whatever it
> > wants from me to give to whomever it pleases. In the scheme of
> things, the
> > Ute treaty is miniscule, I agree, but the very fact that I'm
> paying for it
> > means that I am responsible for whatever else Congress decides
> I should
> > pay
> > for. You said you'd be honest, but you delivered strawmen
> again. Tell me
> > honestly, John, if you are a libertarian, where do you draw the
> line on
> > what
> > property and income is appropriate for the government to take
> from the
> > taxpayer.
> >
> >
> > >>Really? Hows about you tell me WHY privately owned land is a
> different
> > >>story? I think the answer would be very entertaining. land is
> >
> > You don't believe in private property? There is noone alive
> today who
> > acquired land from the Ute through coercion. Tell me how that
> is
> > entertaining.
>
>
>
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