Well Mark, good advice I won't be taking....not because it is not good,
because I believe there is an avenue open to me that I am more suited for
and will be more successful in.
NOTE: I never said any such thing about social programs or the work of VISTA
volunteers, please take care when putting things in my mouth.
You miss a tremendous point.....change will only take place when education
is in place...and Education is paid for with taxes. Do you stand against
public education?
See, you are talking about business. Well, many of these folks have tried to
start and run a business. They have good ideas and work hard, but when you
can't write or read above 4th grade level and don't have the math skills to
even ballance a checkbook, it isn't conducive to success. So, they ask
outsiders to help them with the business and of things, and 9 out of 10
times get ripped royally.
They need to be proficent in the basic skills first, They will NOT trust
outsiders to help. That is one reason the business I began this post about
was successful...kids run the business. Not only do they make the chololate,
they run the business. Elaine is a woman as honest and caring as the day is
long, and these kids haven't learned not to trust outsiders yet. She walked
them through the entire process and never took a dime in return....the true
work only done by a volunteer. As I said, in that area, most people work
several part time jobs to make ends meet, and taking enough time from your
day to help set up a buisness for someone else would leave you not earning
enough. You seem to think people are independently wealthy and can devote
the time needed to assist the Ute and Navajo. Well, if you are, go on down
to San Juan County and pitch in...as for me and everyone else I know, we
need a salery to live on.
THat said, it begins with education, and I am returning to the area to teach
Secondary Eduication. One of my goals is to convince students to stay in
school.
Mark, you have ideas what work splendedly in the inner city or most rural
areas....try to understand this is a unique place, and these are unique
people. Education is first. Three or four generations ago, the Ute did not
attend school.....they were stone age hunter/gatherer/raiders with modern
day weapons. TOday they are captives on a place where almowst nothing will
grow, where there is no transportation, heck there isn't even a cable
running there for cable TV or high speed internet. People eat flour water
and oil sometimes exclusively for weeks at a time, and they are not even
allowed to go to their traditional hunting areas to bring back meat.
zI am still confused....why are you concentration on this pittance spent by
the government and ignoring the bleeding of our national treasury by the
traitors in office right now? Is this your way of saying the poor have not
earned a hand up, or that any government spending is waste?
Mark, give me one good reason why it is harmful to the people of the Ute
reservation to keep a treaty that gave the exchange of tribal lands to the
government in exchange for money that allowsthem to survive?
HOW do you justify breaking a legal contract?
HOW do you justify the abandonment of this group of people?
WHY is this so necessary at this point in time?
Is this about you and I being RIGHT at the expence of a group of people or
is there concrete reasons that , if put into place, will change the lives of
THESE people RIGHT NOW FOR THE BETTER?
On 6/29/06, mark robert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> John,
>
> As you attested through your experience in VistaVolunteers, govt
> social programs not only breed apathy and disorganization, the
> embody them. I imagine your experience is typical. There is no
> better model of low ambition. Not only do recipients of aid loose
> ambition, but so does the govt agency handing it out. Neither the
> recipients nor the givers have to work for what they get. Neither
> has to be competent; they have no customers to win over. The
> incentive is exactly the opposite of business. Govt especially
> has incentive to waste money so they can get more the next year.
> The more money they waste, they more they can forcibly extort
> from taxpayers in the future.
>
> You are great at giving advice, but how are you at taking it?
> Here, take mine. Next time, spend only your own doe to go back
> and start your own enterprise (make a real investment) in the
> area, take advantage of the cheap labor, and present yourself as
> a true role model for independent innovation. Considering how
> often you use the word, you must know bullshit better than
> anyone; so you must also know that Native American children see
> through bullshit better than anyone, especially (I imagine) phony
> baloney white-govt bullshit. And they will see it in you, no
> matter how little govt bullshit you represent. This time, put on
> different glasses that see individual opportunity for wealth
> instead of mass poverty, for therein is the solution to said
> poverty. Get rich, don't hire any LDS, and benefit the area
> better than any inept social program ever could. Real
> entrepreneurs aren't backed by govt; you only need a little
> individual creativity (and a little less superiority might also
> help).
>
>
> -Mark
>
> ************
> {American jurors have complete Constitutional authority to vote
> "not guilty" based on nothing more than a disagreement with the
> case, no matter the evidence - despite the judge's instructions.
> There is absolutely no obligation to vote "guilty" to arrive at a
> unanimous verdict. Get on a jury, stand your ground, and fulfill
> its other main purpose: to counteract abusive government and
> unjust lawsuits.
> See www.fija.org
> [Please adopt this as your own signature.] }
>
> ----------------------
>
>
> IT is exactly the same today as it was in your day. Get the
> reports in,
> regardless of what is REALLY happening SAY they are going well! A
> volunteer
> could literally do NOTHING every day if that is what he or she
> chose, just
> send in a GOOD REPORT and on time!
>
> We were fortunate....we had a great crew of 12.
>
> Want to hear another little ditty about San Juan County? We were
> selected
> through the White Mesa Ute Board, a non-profit run by a certain
> individual.
> He was the head of the other 6 non-profits in that part of the
> county. He
> literally ran the whole thing. He was an LDS member. The charter
> said that
> 12 VISTA volunteers were to work on White Mesa and develop
> sustainable
> programs that, if successful, would expand to the rest of the
> county.
>
> In truth, I was the only VISTA on White Mesa. The REST worked to
> support the
> local college and schools in the county, freeing up paid
> employees from
> secretarial work, putting together educational testing and doing
> grunt work.
>
> In this way, San Juan County got the lions share of the resources
> the VISTA
> program intended for the Native Americans.
>
>
>
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