Xenophobic bigotry, with its inevitable National Socialism, is regarded as an obnoxious perversion by most Americans!
-Terry Liberty Parker http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian --- In [email protected], Urmas Järv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You can never stop immigration to a welfare state. So instead of figuring out ways how to punish those people you guys should be focused on throwing out the welfare state. > > Talking about market forces together with welfare state is just absurd. The welfare state perverts the natural state of the market. People may come to welfare state just to get the stuff you provide them with for free and of course the people who actually do want to do improve their lives by working hard and improving themselves to better provide the job market what it needs get also get blamed. You always need such hard working people. Those are the good kind of immigrants :) Fight the ones that want stuff for free. You can only do that by throwing out the welfare state :) > > Also the notion that if you free up the borders people will massively flood your country is absurd. Estonians as EU members can pretty much work anywhere they want in EU. Because of our low GDP that theory would presume that we would all run to whatever EU country where we could get jobs. Yet the people working outside Estonia has remained constant since the independence in 1992. Roughly 30 000 people work outside Estonia and that is less then 5% of our current work force. > > Kicking out all the immigrants will just result in more hatred against the US. Or is the objective to eventually piss off every non American? > > Best wishes, > Urmas > > On 07/03/2007 06:51, Marlon Machado wrote: > > > > Yeah. Let's forcibly deport 12 million people. I assume we'll have no > > problem winning the hearts and minds--because we're so good at it--of a > > large group of people who would have nothing to loose (they already > > would have lost everything when we deported them), who would hate our > > guts, and will happen to right next door in Mexico. I'm sure Al-Qaeda > > will be right there to offer assistance, training, and C-4 vests. > > > > Immigration, like most human activities, is a response to the needs of > > the market and, as such, is better left in the hands of the market. In > > general, the market is able to absorb immigrants when they're given a > > chance to assimilate and, as a result, the economy benefits. Over time, > > as immigrants begin to acquire assets and to build wealth, they too > > begin to have a stake in their new country and then, only then, they > > assimilate. On the other hand, when immigrants are not given such a > > chance and instead are harassed and vilified they tend to respond with > > the only thing they have: a Mexican flag or whatever flag they happen to > > have at home. It's a normal reaction. > > > > Conservatives, once again, have outdone themselves at dehumanizing > > individuals they don't know, lumping them all in a group (because they > > all look alike), and hating them for who they are. The anti- immigration > > crowd has overlooked the dynamics of the market on this issue and, by > > invoking the crossing of an artificial dividing line between the US and > > Mexico give the impression that they would never let common sense get in > > the way of a good process. > > > > M > > > > On Mon, 2007-07-02 at 17:03 -0700, Chris fields wrote: > > > First ya got to bring Mexico's economy up to par with ours before ya > > > open the borders or else you'll be overwhelmed with a deluge of people > > > moving from Mexico to here. In fact the economy here would quickly > > > collapse under the pressure of so many people. As well as a lot of > > > people (myself included) have serious issues with people sneaking over > > > the border, taking advantage of our economy, education and healthcare > > > and then telling me that i don't belong here or that they have more of > > > a right to be here then i do. That is incredibly disrespectful, now > > > you may say the vast majority doesn't feel like that but all of the > > > groups organizing those pro illegal protests sure as hell do. I am > > > also of the mind frame that there should be no such thing as a Mexican > > > American or African American any more then there should be a such > > > thing as a European American. An American is an American with > > > loyalties only to America. I have issues with people holding up > > > Mexican or any other countries flag > > > in support over that of the American flag. > > > We as Americans are better then any other countries people regardless > > > of our race, don't forget that and you'll understand real quick where > > > American pride comes from. > > > > > > gold recordings wrote: --- In > > > [email protected], Chris fields > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Just wanted to point out the fact that nobody has a problem with > > > LEGAL immigrants. Its the illegal ones that should bother any > > > American. America has more immigrants coming here then any other > > > country so we are the land of immigrants. However when you get > > > hundreds of thousands of illegals saying that they have more of a > > > right here then we do, no normal person is gonna appreciate that. > > > > > > > > > > So what's the problem? Legalize it! > > > > > > > gold recordings wrote: > > > > > http://pauliecannoli.wordpress.com/2007/06/27/border-wall- boondoggle-even-dumber-than-i-thought/ > > > > > > > > Border wall boondoggle: even dumber than I thought! > > > > > > > > http://pauliecannoli.wordpress.com/2007/06/27/immigreat/ > > > > > > > > Immigrate! > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://pauliecannoli.wordpress.com/2007/06/02/immigration- hysteria-fair-tax-police-state-ussa/ > > > > > > > > Immigration hysteria + "Fair" tax = Police State USSA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > Got a little couch potato? > > > > Check out fun summer activities for kids. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Building a website is a piece of cake. > > > Yahoo! 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