"...get this ILLEGALS out!" How? Massive deportations? Concentration camps? An armband with the "M" letter on it to distinguish all Mexicans from the rest of us humans? Gas chambers? Please enlighten us because just asking to get "these" illegals out without providing a way to do it doesn't help. The usual argument: enforce the law, punish employers, etc. doesn't work because the market trumps over all legislation. If illegal immigrants are OK working for $2/hr and there are employers willing to hire them, they will keep coming. Nothing can stop the market. That's just the way it is.
M On Tue, 2007-07-03 at 16:07 -0700, chris fields wrote: > This country was founded with borders and Most Americans prefer it > that way....Helps keep , get this ILLEGALS out! Strangely enough Most > Americans also do not approve of illegals....What a coinkidink huh? > > Terry L Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Xenophobic bigotry, with > its inevitable National Socialism, is > regarded as an obnoxious perversion by most Americans! > > -Terry Liberty Parker > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian > > --- In [email protected], Urmas Järv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > You can never stop immigration to a welfare state. So instead of > figuring out ways how to punish those people you guys should be > focused on throwing out the welfare state. > > > > Talking about market forces together with welfare state is just > absurd. The welfare state perverts the natural state of the market. > People may come to welfare state just to get the stuff you provide > them with for free and of course the people who actually do want to > do improve their lives by working hard and improving themselves to > better provide the job market what it needs get also get blamed. You > always need such hard working people. Those are the good kind of > immigrants :) Fight the ones that want stuff for free. You can only > do that by throwing out the welfare state :) > > > > Also the notion that if you free up the borders people will > massively flood your country is absurd. Estonians as EU members can > pretty much work anywhere they want in EU. Because of our low GDP > that theory would presume that we would all run to whatever EU > country where we could get jobs. Yet the people working outside > Estonia has remained constant since the independence in 1992. Roughly > 30 000 people work outside Estonia and that is less then 5% of our > current work force. > > > > Kicking out all the immigrants will just result in more hatred > against the US. Or is the objective to eventually piss off every non > American? > > > > Best wishes, > > Urmas > > > > On 07/03/2007 06:51, Marlon Machado wrote: > > > > > > Yeah. Let's forcibly deport 12 million people. I assume we'll > have no > > > problem winning the hearts and minds--because we're so good at > it--of a > > > large group of people who would have nothing to loose (they > already > > > would have lost everything when we deported them), who would > hate our > > > guts, and will happen to right next door in Mexico. I'm sure > Al-Qaeda > > > will be right there to offer assistance, training, and C-4 > vests. > > > > > > Immigration, like most human activities, is a response to the > needs of > > > the market and, as such, is better left in the hands of the > market. In > > > general, the market is able to absorb immigrants when they're > given a > > > chance to assimilate and, as a result, the economy benefits. > Over time, > > > as immigrants begin to acquire assets and to build wealth, > they too > > > begin to have a stake in their new country and then, only > then, they > > > assimilate. On the other hand, when immigrants are not given > such a > > > chance and instead are harassed and vilified they tend to > respond with > > > the only thing they have: a Mexican flag or whatever flag they > happen to > > > have at home. It's a normal reaction. > > > > > > Conservatives, once again, have outdone themselves at > dehumanizing > > > individuals they don't know, lumping them all in a group > (because they > > > all look alike), and hating them for who they are. The anti- > immigration > > > crowd has overlooked the dynamics of the market on this issue > and, by > > > invoking the crossing of an artificial dividing line between > the US and > > > Mexico give the impression that they would never let common > sense get in > > > the way of a good process. > > > > > > M > > > > > > On Mon, 2007-07-02 at 17:03 -0700, Chris fields wrote: > > > > First ya got to bring Mexico's economy up to par with > ours before ya > > > > open the borders or else you'll be overwhelmed with a > deluge of people > > > > moving from Mexico to here. In fact the economy here > would quickly > > > > collapse under the pressure of so many people. As well as > a lot of > > > > people (myself included) have serious issues with people > sneaking over > > > > the border, taking advantage of our economy, education > and healthcare > > > > and then telling me that i don't belong here or that they > have more of > > > > a right to be here then i do. That is incredibly > disrespectful, now > > > > you may say the vast majority doesn't feel like that but > all of the > > > > groups organizing those pro illegal protests sure as hell > do. I am > > > > also of the mind frame that there should be no such thing > as a Mexican > > > > American or African American any more then there should > be a such > > > > thing as a European American. An American is an American > with > > > > loyalties only to America. I have issues with people > holding up > > > > Mexican or any other countries flag > > > > in support over that of the American flag. > > > > We as Americans are better then any other countries > people regardless > > > > of our race, don't forget that and you'll understand real > quick where > > > > American pride comes from. > > > > > > > > gold recordings wrote: --- In > > > > [email protected], Chris fields > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Just wanted to point out the fact that nobody has a > problem with > > > > LEGAL immigrants. Its the illegal ones that should bother > any > > > > American. America has more immigrants coming here then > any other > > > > country so we are the land of immigrants. However when > you get > > > > hundreds of thousands of illegals saying that they have > more of a > > > > right here then we do, no normal person is gonna > appreciate that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > So what's the problem? 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