A large portion of them actually do not work. When they do work its for lower wages and they do not contribute to health care, education or social security. The money they end up spending is usually very minimal. I was born and raised in California and can tell you from experience that it is not rare for them to live 10 and 15 per house.
Many illegal immigrants actually start businesses, which is quite a feat considering their situation, and there are a lot of those business actually thriving and, in many cases, providing services and creating jobs that are free to be taken by natives in many cases (there are cases where it's ghetto-to-ghetto but that's no longer the majority). You're right there are benefits but the detriments far outnumber the benefits and they usually still are loyal to their original countries. If they are persistent enough to start their own business, odds are they are persistent enough to wait in line and come over legally. And, finally, who gives a rat's behind about their sports preferences? That part of your argument revolves around a totally irrelevant subject (sports) in my opinion. I'm more interested in dealing with the fact that there are 12 million people in the US who are not participating fully in the economy. I'm more concerned about the fact that their situation is hindering the market and stunting the potential of such a large mass of productivity just because they took the path of least resistance. The US Government has done nothing but exacerbate this situation with their incompetence and stupidity. The mechanisms for people to come here legally have been broken for years and no politician wants to fix it. So, individuals do what they have to do and the market takes care of regulating the risks and the incentives. My answer is this, i used the sports question to show where there loyalties lie. The same conclusion can be reached in a number of different points. I merely used one of them to point this fact out. The fact is that if they would side against this country in a game they likely would side against this country on a larger scale. When they took the path of least resistance they in effect showed their disrespect for the laws of this country and should be shown no consideration in my opinion. The fact remains that America allows more immigrants in LEGALLY then any other country. However i am all for allowing more immigrants in legally so no disagreement there. Case studies have shown repeatedly that legal immigrants in fact benefit America greatly. illegal immigrants are a detriment and tend to negatively affect the wages of skilled labor, like construction. On this issue i may agree more with conservatives but just because i disagree on an opinion in this party while agreeing with basically everything else doesn't mean i am not a libertarian. There are classifications of liberal leaning or conservative leaning libertarians and i believe it unfair to insinuate that i am a member of another party because i agree with them on one (possibly two) subjects. I also agree with liberals on some of their ideas, however i agree with libertarians on more issues then i agree with any other party. I would say that i am a Libertarian albeit a Ron Paul Libertarian. I think for myself and i happen to agree with Paul on many issues, not all of them though. Marlon Machado <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Your arguments are totally flawed. First of all, illegal immigrants work--that's why they come to the US--which means they benefit their employers. Then they spend money, which benefits their local economies. True, they send most of their earnings home but they still need to spend money where they live. Many illegal immigrants actually start businesses, which is quite a feat considering their situation, and there are a lot of those business actually thriving and, in many cases, providing services and creating jobs that are free to be taken by natives in many cases (there are cases where it's ghetto-to-ghetto but that's no longer the majority). And, finally, who gives a rat's behind about their sports preferences? That part of your argument revolves around a totally irrelevant subject (sports) in my opinion. I'm more interested in dealing with the fact that there are 12 million people in the US who are not participating fully in the economy. I'm more concerned about the fact that their situation is hindering the market and stunting the potential of such a large mass of productivity just because they took the path of least resistance. The US Government has done nothing but exacerbate this situation with their incompetence and stupidity. The mechanisms for people to come here legally have been broken for years and no politician wants to fix it. So, individuals do what they have to do and the market takes care of regulating the risks and the incentives. With all due respect, your line of thought sounds more Conservative Republican than libertarian. M On Tue, 2007-07-03 at 16:28 -0700, chris fields wrote: > As for deporting Illegals it can be done, check out operation wetback > in google. Its an actual operation incorporated in 54 i believe to > deport millions of illegals. Worked then why not now. > > Again IMMIGRATION is the backbone of this country and i fully support > it. The difference is LEGAL immigrants benefit our society where as > ILLEGALS are a detriment to it. Huge difference, hell im all for > allowing even more people in LEGALLY but to award those here illegally > would be a slap in the face not only to our laws but to all of those > who are legally immigrating here or waiting to do so legally. > > Ask an illegal who should win a "futbol" game between this country and > the one they came from, then put them in the country they answer. > patriots are a huge part of what makes the US great. > > Marlon Machado <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yeah. Let's forcibly > deport 12 million people. I assume we'll have no > problem winning the hearts and minds--because we're so good at it--of > a > large group of people who would have nothing to loose (they already > would have lost everything when we deported them), who would hate our > guts, and will happen to right next door in Mexico. I'm sure Al-Qaeda > will be right there to offer assistance, training, and C-4 vests. > > Immigration, like most human activities, is a response to the needs of > the market and, as such, is better left in the hands of the market. In > general, the market is able to absorb immigrants when they're given a > chance to assimilate and, as a result, the economy benefits. Over > time, > as immigrants begin to acquire assets and to build wealth, they too > begin to have a stake in their new country and then, only then, they > assimilate. On the other hand, when immigrants are not given such a > chance and instead are harassed and vilified they tend to respond with > the only thing they have: a Mexican flag or whatever flag they happen > to > have at home. It's a normal reaction. > > Conservatives, once again, have outdone themselves at dehumanizing > individuals they don't know, lumping them all in a group (because they > all look alike), and hating them for who they are. The > anti-immigration > crowd has overlooked the dynamics of the market on this issue and, by > invoking the crossing of an artificial dividing line between the US > and > Mexico give the impression that they would never let common sense get > in > the way of a good process. > > M > > On Mon, 2007-07-02 at 17:03 -0700, chris fields wrote: > > First ya got to bring Mexico's economy up to par with ours before ya > > open the borders or else you'll be overwhelmed with a deluge of > people > > moving from Mexico to here. In fact the economy here would quickly > > collapse under the pressure of so many people. As well as a lot of > > people (myself included) have serious issues with people sneaking > over > > the border, taking advantage of our economy, education and > healthcare > > and then telling me that i don't belong here or that they have more > of > > a right to be here then i do. That is incredibly disrespectful, now > > you may say the vast majority doesn't feel like that but all of the > > groups organizing those pro illegal protests sure as hell do. I am > > also of the mind frame that there should be no such thing as a > Mexican > > American or African American any more then there should be a such > > thing as a European American. An American is an American with > > loyalties only to America. I have issues with people holding up > > Mexican or any other countries flag > > in support over that of the American flag. > > We as Americans are better then any other countries people > regardless > > of our race, don't forget that and you'll understand real quick > where > > American pride comes from. > > > > goldrecordings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- In > > [email protected], chris fields > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Just wanted to point out the fact that nobody has a problem with > > LEGAL immigrants. Its the illegal ones that should bother any > > American. America has more immigrants coming here then any other > > country so we are the land of immigrants. However when you get > > hundreds of thousands of illegals saying that they have more of a > > right here then we do, no normal person is gonna appreciate that. > > > > > > > So what's the problem? 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