https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=79811
--- Comment #5 from David Tardon <[email protected]> --- (In reply to comment #4) > > > My proposal is that Hybrid PDF is offered as yet another document format > > > to > > > the Save command and even allowing making it default. > > > > I strongly disagree. > > That's obvious, but you have yet to explain why. All right, so just from the top of my head (so in a random order or importance): * It is _slow_. I mean really slow: export to PDF is easily 10 times slower than save to ODF. Import is slower too, for technical reasons that cannot easily be changed. * (I have already said that, but...) There is no way to differentiate between normal and hybrid PDFs when looking at directory listing. * Worse yet, there is no way to differentiate between different types of documents (text, presentations, spreadsheets, ...) That is a major usability regression compared to using ODF. * It effectively means that we are creating a new document format, not supported by anyone else. There is already too many different file formats. (This alone is a deal breaker for me.) * It duplicates functionality. * It creates the perception of PDF as an editable format, which it is not. I am sure I could come with a few more if I really thought about it. > > > > > > From a formal point of view, since an Hybrid PDF file can be opened in > > > LibreOffice Writer exactly the same as an ODT file, it shouldn't belong to > > > the export option. > > > > Wrong. A hybrid PDF is still a PDF. Also, there is _no way_ to differentiate > > a hybrid PDF from normal PDF except opening it, So these files would not be > > listed in open dialog. > > Wronng. A Hybrid PDF is a PDF+ODF file. No way to differentiate both is > irrelevant. It is very much relevant from usability POV. If I have a directory full of PDFs, the only way to discover which ones I can edit and which can only be imported is to actually try to open them. > > > > > > Expected behavior: > > > Hybrid PDF should be like any other document format, working on every > > > Save/Save As/Save a Copy/etc. commands. > > > > I can already imagine uninformed users trying to use export to PDF instead > > of normal save in other applications, "because it works in LibreOffice", and > > losing their work... > > I don't follow this logic. LibreOffice only has to show "This PDF is not > Hybrid and can't be edited in Writer" when a user trys to open (not import) > a PDF. That won't happen with internal documents but will probably happen > with many external ones. This was not about LibreOffice at all. I was talking about uninformed users being misled into belief that PDFs can be edited in LibreOffice and losing their work created in _other_ applications as a consequence. > Besides, nothing prevents HybridPDFs to be shown > with a different icon so you know which are Hybrid and which aren't. Nothing except the fact that the only way to recognize a hybrid PDF is to open it. That is slow even locally if there is more than a few dozens of files, not mentioning doing it for a remote folder. Also, this would only work in LibreOffice's internal file dialog, not if the system one is used. > > Just ouf of curiosity: what's your opinion on Hybrid PDFs? You just seem to > hate them for no reason. Your overly agressive reply is way out of line. I have nothing about hybrid PDF. I recognize its value for having a PDF export of a document that can still be opened for editing, if necessary. But it is still a PDF and nothing is going to change that. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
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