Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 12:18:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: Chris Kalos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: DVD question
Let's try this again. Read below. And please, lay off the caps lock.
CK
On Fri, 18 May 2001, Clinton Parker wrote:
> Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 11:36:26 -0400
> From: Clinton Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: DVD question
>
> Chris and list,
>
> OK, I've learned a lot in the past few days.
>
> With regards to the Margi DVD-to-Go card: has anyone been able to get it
> to work playing DVD files from the HD?
>
> PLEASE read my other comments BELOW and look at:
>
> http://www.digital-digest.com/nickyguides/piracy-info.htm
>
> This is just my opinion, but I think the facts will back it up.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Regards,
>
> Clinton Parker
>
> Chris Kalos wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 17 May 2001, Clinton Parker wrote:
> >
>
> NO, IT IS NOT COPY PROTECTION!!!! If is were, then you would have NO
> trouble copying a non-encrypted DVD to a DVD-R (and playing it back). I
So, you can copy an unencrypted disc. I thought we were talking
about encrypted DVDs, ne?
> don't know that much about DVD-R, but the issues you mention have
> nothing to do with the encryption!!! The encryption is NOT processed in
It has *everything* to do with the player. Not the DVD drive on a
PC, maybe, but the standalone hardware player, which is the true point of
control for the MPAA.
> the DVD-ROM player, thus you could potentially make a DVD disk that is
> an exact copy of the encrypted disk (whether a drive or medium exists to
> make this copy on I don't know enough to say, but I know that it is
> possible to read the encrypted files off the DVD-ROM in the encrypted
> format). I also understand that it is possible to playback the encrypted
> files, copied from the DVD-ROM, on the HD. What if someone (and I am not
> advocating this) sent those encrypted files to someone else (OK, it
> might take some time, but as bandwidth increases this will be less and
> less of an issue). That person could also play those files from their PC
> (with the appropriate DVD software or hardware). Where is the copy
> protection??? Copy protection would involve doing something that would
> make it impossible (well difficult) to create a duplicate of the
> original DVD disk (similar to the way this has been done with protected
It *is* impossible to create a duplicate disc without special
hardware and media. It simply won't descramble on a home deck if you use
a DVD-General disc.
> software in the past). Encryption has NOTHING to do with this! It does
> affect your ability to edit the DVD material - which is a different
> issue.
Also, consider this: Even the PC players were not *meant* to
allow what we've been discussing. Just because it's been bypassed doesn't
mean it's suddenly legal. Now, I'm not going to say that the law is
right, because that's another issue altogether.
>
> PEOPLE WAKE UP!!! This and DMCA is all a PLOY by the movie industry to
> allow them to do PRICE FIXING. Most other businesses (MS included) would
> find themselves in court for this. Why is the movie industry able to do
> this kind of PRICE FIXING and not find themselves in court (well
> actually, this is, in some regards, in court in that the
> constitutionality of DMCA is being challenged)???
>
I never said it wasn't about price fixing. However, that's not
the only issue. It's also about copy protection. I still don't see
anyone making copies of these movies that we can play in a DVD player with
the same quality video and 5.1 channel audio. VCDs don't match that, and
affordable DVD copying hardware simply doesn't exist.
The very nature of CSS was to protect the data from being copied.
So they blundered. It doesn't stop their initial intent. Macrovision was
added to ensure that the stream couldn't be dumped to VHS. That too can
probably be bypassed. Again, not their fault. CSS was *intended* to be
hard to break, if not impossible. It failed. That doesn't make it open
season on DVDs without any legal repercussions. Granted, the DMCA
protects the poorly devised protection schemes in a somewhat insidious
way, but that's besides the point. We all know it's a bad law.
Now, if you want to talk about price fixing on DVDs, why don't you
mention region coding? *That's* the part of DVD technology that enables
price fixing so readily. It might be a part of CSS, but it's not all of
it. If it were only about region coding, then why encrypt it?
> PLEASE SEE:
>
> http://www.digital-digest.com/nickyguides/piracy-info.htm
More information provided to make all of this seem "ok." It's
not. If you want to make a difference, we have to handle this from the
legal aspect, not by shattering the industry and flooding the 'net with
DivX copies of every film known to man. Once the DMCA is repealed (which
will have to happen,) we'll have a lot more breathing room.
That said, I think we've strayed too much from the topic of the
Libretto itself. Please send anything else *only* to my personal address,
not the list. I just wanted to make sure that the issues were as clear as
I could make them before asking to keep this off the list once and for
all.
Thank you,
CK
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