Just to clarify, the link that John gave for MCAS scores was for the entire district (Hanscom + Lincoln). However, roughly 1/3 of Hanscom students enter and leave the district every year with almost all students staying no more than 3 years so MCAS scores are not a good representation of the quality of the education there. A better comparison to Sudbury where the student population is more consistent would be the Lincoln School: https://profiles.doe.mass.edu/mcas/achievement_level.aspx?linkid=32&orgcode=01570025&orgtypecode=6&;. These scores are very similar to Sudbury.
Anne On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 4:45 PM Sara Mattes <[email protected]> wrote: > Mr. Dwyer, > As someone who advocates the use of good data before we jump to > conclusions and answers, that we diagnose accurately before we prescribe, > what data have you used to imply large numbers of students are leaving for > private schools? > What have the numbers been over the years, decades? > Perhaps there are historical trends that might inform this discussion. > > Regards, > Sara Mattes > ------ > Sara Mattes > > > > > On Mar 23, 2022, at 9:11 AM, JAY DWYER <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Fuat, > > “There are lies ,damn lies and statistics”. > > I agree that we have to take more than one matrix when evaluating > performance. In addition to the numerical scores I was also shocked by the > number of students leaving to go to private schools. That fact car leaded > what did decline in Lincoln school enrollment over the last 10 years as the > population has grown. > > Something is amiss ! > > People vote with their feet in their pocketbooks when they’re not pleased > with the product. > > If you agree with my perspective please vote for Joseph Dwyer for school > committee on March 28. > > Thank you, > > Jay Dwyer > 603.560.1787 c > > > > On Mar 22, 2022, at 4:51 PM, Fuat Koro <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Bryce, > > My observation is when residents question the "goodness" of our education, > discussions typically get stuck in much the same way you highlighted: > > "Typical assessment approaches like test scores and rankings by various > publications are not good indicators of our education quality. In the > absence of a yardstick, here are a few personal anecdotes why I think our > education is good (or bad). " > > Perhaps this already exists, but as part of their stated role, the School > Committee should be able to help us understand what our data-driven > evaluation criteria are. > > Regards, > Fuat Koro > > On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 1:59 PM Bryce Wells via Lincoln < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Jay, >> >> I find it concerning that you are prescribing a solution to a (perceived) >> problem without any background or experience as an educator. I find it >> galling that you are using Niche.com as your primary source for the >> problem, but that's another issue for another time. My recommendation is >> that you at least start with the state-mandate proficiency exams and the >> school's performance therein... btw, I have no idea where LPS ranks. >> >> More homework? Oh brother. Have you vetted or discussed this >> multi-pronged plan with Becky McFall or Sharon Hobbs? You might want to >> start there and see WHAT shortfalls they think there MIGHT be and how THEY >> think they should be solved. That sort of approach will surely get my >> attention... and vote. >> >> Without getting into personal specifics (because as Lincoln Talk's >> eristic pundit Dennis Liu would remind me, the plural of anecdote is NOT >> data), both my boys went through LPS and are thriving at LS. They were >> well prepared for high school. Many of their friends are thriving. Is >> there room for improvement? Always. >> >> Also, personally speaking, they had many friends who went to Fenn or >> other private schools. The parents I spoke to about that decision (a >> deeply personal one) communicated that they wanted their child in a >> same-sex learning environment or they valued the private education >> experience or they wanted to provide more avenues for their child outside >> of LS. >> >> Thanks for listening. >> >> Bryce >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 1:34 PM JAY DWYER <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Why ? >>> >>> Here are the numbers for K-8 Lincoln Schools from : niche.com >>> >>> >>> 59% proficient in math >>> 61% proficient in english >>> >>> What grade do you get with 61% on a report card? >>> >>> You get an F for failure. >>> >>> We spent $13 million a year for our schools and this is what we get. >>> >>> People with the ability to pay $40,000 a year take their kids out of >>> Lincoln schools and put them in private schools like Fenn. >>> You know many families that have done this. >>> >>> We are not traditionally rigorous in teaching. One pair and told me she >>> “liked that her son was not pushed too hard in school” >>> >>> This is a poor foundation which is a recipe for failure in future grades >>> and in life. >>> >>> I have a solution they will not cost any money. >>> >>> 1) Written homework every night that is graded and handed back the next >>> morning with a traditional % grade. >>> >>> 2) The final exam every week on what you learned that week. >>> >>> 3) A report card every Monday morning with average scores of Homeworks >>> and grade on the final exam with a rank in class. >>> >>> I experience this program for three years in 6/7 and eighth grade. I >>> went through Central Catholic high school in Lawrence it was easy. I >>> graduated with a degree in economics from Georgetown university and felt >>> 100% confident that I could learn anything. >>> >>> If these ideas makes sense to you I ask for your vote on March 28 for >>> Lincoln school committee. >>> >>> Thank you, >>> >>> >>> Joseph Dwyer >>> >>> Lincoln School Board Candidate >>> 6 Emerson Rd >>> Lincoln, Ma 01773 >>> [email protected] >>> 603.560.1787 c >>> >>> >>> -- >>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>> To post, send mail to [email protected]. >>> Search the archives at http://lincoln.2330058.n4.nabble.com/. >>> Browse the archives at >>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>> Change your subscription settings at >>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>> >>> -- >> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >> To post, send mail to [email protected]. >> Search the archives at http://lincoln.2330058.n4.nabble.com/. >> Browse the archives at >> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >> Change your subscription settings at >> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >> >> -- > The LincolnTalk mailing list. > To post, send mail to [email protected]. > Search the archives at http://lincoln.2330058.n4.nabble.com/. > Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/ > . > Change your subscription settings at > https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. > > > -- > The LincolnTalk mailing list. > To post, send mail to [email protected]. > Search the archives at http://lincoln.2330058.n4.nabble.com/. > Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/ > . > Change your subscription settings at > https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. > >
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