Anne - I found the database from the Department of Education very helpful. In addition to MCAS scores, there was a section on "accountability" relative to targets listed at the school level. Lincoln -- without Hanscom -- was at 82 percentile in 2019, the last year the data was published due to Covid. 34 schools out of 1846 were listed as "schools of recognition". Of course we can debate whether this particular performance indicator and associated targets are the right ones or if the Department of Education is a credible source.
Ultimately, my sense is we don't lack performance indicators or data. Rather, we need to choose a framework we can align on. I sincerely hope the School Committee can guide the conversation on a data-driven approach to quality of education. Fuat Koro On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 5:16 PM Anne Wang <[email protected]> wrote: > Just to clarify, the link that John gave for MCAS scores was for the > entire district (Hanscom + Lincoln). However, roughly 1/3 of Hanscom > students enter and leave the district every year with almost all students > staying no more than 3 years so MCAS scores are not a good representation > of the quality of the education there. A better comparison to Sudbury > where the student population is more consistent would be the Lincoln > School: > https://profiles.doe.mass.edu/mcas/achievement_level.aspx?linkid=32&orgcode=01570025&orgtypecode=6&;. > These scores are very similar to Sudbury. > > Anne > > On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 4:45 PM Sara Mattes <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Mr. Dwyer, >> As someone who advocates the use of good data before we jump to >> conclusions and answers, that we diagnose accurately before we prescribe, >> what data have you used to imply large numbers of students are leaving for >> private schools? >> What have the numbers been over the years, decades? >> Perhaps there are historical trends that might inform this discussion. >> >> Regards, >> Sara Mattes >> ------ >> Sara Mattes >> >> >> >> >> On Mar 23, 2022, at 9:11 AM, JAY DWYER <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hi Fuat, >> >> “There are lies ,damn lies and statistics”. >> >> I agree that we have to take more than one matrix when evaluating >> performance. In addition to the numerical scores I was also shocked by the >> number of students leaving to go to private schools. That fact car leaded >> what did decline in Lincoln school enrollment over the last 10 years as the >> population has grown. >> >> Something is amiss ! >> >> People vote with their feet in their pocketbooks when they’re not pleased >> with the product. >> >> If you agree with my perspective please vote for Joseph Dwyer for school >> committee on March 28. >> >> Thank you, >> >> Jay Dwyer >> 603.560.1787 c >> >> >> >> On Mar 22, 2022, at 4:51 PM, Fuat Koro <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> Bryce, >> >> My observation is when residents question the "goodness" of our >> education, discussions typically get stuck in much the same way you >> highlighted: >> >> "Typical assessment approaches like test scores and rankings by various >> publications are not good indicators of our education quality. In the >> absence of a yardstick, here are a few personal anecdotes why I think our >> education is good (or bad). " >> >> Perhaps this already exists, but as part of their stated role, the School >> Committee should be able to help us understand what our data-driven >> evaluation criteria are. >> >> Regards, >> Fuat Koro >> >> On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 1:59 PM Bryce Wells via Lincoln < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Jay, >>> >>> I find it concerning that you are prescribing a solution to a >>> (perceived) problem without any background or experience as an educator. I >>> find it galling that you are using Niche.com as your primary source for >>> the problem, but that's another issue for another time. My recommendation >>> is that you at least start with the state-mandate proficiency exams and the >>> school's performance therein... btw, I have no idea where LPS ranks. >>> >>> More homework? Oh brother. Have you vetted or discussed this >>> multi-pronged plan with Becky McFall or Sharon Hobbs? You might want to >>> start there and see WHAT shortfalls they think there MIGHT be and how THEY >>> think they should be solved. That sort of approach will surely get my >>> attention... and vote. >>> >>> Without getting into personal specifics (because as Lincoln Talk's >>> eristic pundit Dennis Liu would remind me, the plural of anecdote is NOT >>> data), both my boys went through LPS and are thriving at LS. They were >>> well prepared for high school. Many of their friends are thriving. Is >>> there room for improvement? Always. >>> >>> Also, personally speaking, they had many friends who went to Fenn or >>> other private schools. The parents I spoke to about that decision (a >>> deeply personal one) communicated that they wanted their child in a >>> same-sex learning environment or they valued the private education >>> experience or they wanted to provide more avenues for their child outside >>> of LS. >>> >>> Thanks for listening. >>> >>> Bryce >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 1:34 PM JAY DWYER <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Why ? >>>> >>>> Here are the numbers for K-8 Lincoln Schools from : niche.com >>>> >>>> >>>> 59% proficient in math >>>> 61% proficient in english >>>> >>>> What grade do you get with 61% on a report card? >>>> >>>> You get an F for failure. >>>> >>>> We spent $13 million a year for our schools and this is what we get. >>>> >>>> People with the ability to pay $40,000 a year take their kids out of >>>> Lincoln schools and put them in private schools like Fenn. >>>> You know many families that have done this. >>>> >>>> We are not traditionally rigorous in teaching. One pair and told me she >>>> “liked that her son was not pushed too hard in school” >>>> >>>> This is a poor foundation which is a recipe for failure in future >>>> grades and in life. >>>> >>>> I have a solution they will not cost any money. >>>> >>>> 1) Written homework every night that is graded and handed back the next >>>> morning with a traditional % grade. >>>> >>>> 2) The final exam every week on what you learned that week. >>>> >>>> 3) A report card every Monday morning with average scores of Homeworks >>>> and grade on the final exam with a rank in class. >>>> >>>> I experience this program for three years in 6/7 and eighth grade. I >>>> went through Central Catholic high school in Lawrence it was easy. I >>>> graduated with a degree in economics from Georgetown university and felt >>>> 100% confident that I could learn anything. >>>> >>>> If these ideas makes sense to you I ask for your vote on March 28 for >>>> Lincoln school committee. >>>> >>>> Thank you, >>>> >>>> >>>> Joseph Dwyer >>>> >>>> Lincoln School Board Candidate >>>> 6 Emerson Rd >>>> Lincoln, Ma 01773 >>>> [email protected] >>>> 603.560.1787 c >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>>> To post, send mail to [email protected]. >>>> Search the archives at http://lincoln.2330058.n4.nabble.com/. >>>> Browse the archives at >>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>>> Change your subscription settings at >>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>>> >>>> -- >>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>> To post, send mail to [email protected]. >>> Search the archives at http://lincoln.2330058.n4.nabble.com/. >>> Browse the archives at >>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>> Change your subscription settings at >>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>> >>> -- >> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >> To post, send mail to [email protected]. >> Search the archives at http://lincoln.2330058.n4.nabble.com/. >> Browse the archives at >> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >> Change your subscription settings at >> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >> >> >> -- >> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >> To post, send mail to [email protected]. >> Search the archives at http://lincoln.2330058.n4.nabble.com/. >> Browse the archives at >> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >> Change your subscription settings at >> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >> >> -- > The LincolnTalk mailing list. > To post, send mail to [email protected]. > Search the archives at http://lincoln.2330058.n4.nabble.com/. > Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/ > . > Change your subscription settings at > https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. > >
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