All, The reason I suggested looking a longitudinal trends is it would reveal whether or not this is a new phenomena. Don’t look at population trends as this is an argument about whether or not the parents of school age children elect to send their kids to private vs public school. So, you need the numbers of school age kids and where they are enrolled in school.
I was always told that approximately 25% of Lincoln kids exited the public schools for some other form of ed., usually private. Is this urban myth or not? Data should be the basis, not what we think.. ------ Sara Mattes > On Mar 24, 2022, at 5:35 PM, Richard Panetta <[email protected]> wrote: > > Allen, > > I would beg to differ. I’ll try and find the numbers but the enrollment goes > up and down. When I was in school we barely had 40 kids in our Brooks > graduating class. 25% then went on to private school. The enrollment then > went up around when Smith was renovated I believe. > > And is there an increase in empty nesters? With The commons coming online and > the increased tax rate here is that number increasing or decreasing? > > > > On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 5:24 PM Pastor Allen <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > Sara is right: a lower birth rate and the resulting increasing percentage of > “Empty Nesters” and retired households in town are the biggest factor in > declining school enrollment - there are simply far fewer kids here than there > used to be. …This trend has been obvious for decades. > > The number of students leaving for private schools may be a factor, but I > would argue is insignificant in light of the general shrinking of the > available school-aged population. ( I will agree, though, that the town’s > increasing average income and home values suggests that more families can > afford private schools nowadays.) > > -Allen Vander Meulen > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Mar 24, 2022, at 16:45, Sara Mattes <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> Mr. Dwyer, >> As someone who advocates the use of good data before we jump to conclusions >> and answers, that we diagnose accurately before we prescribe, what data have >> you used to imply large numbers of students are leaving for private schools? >> What have the numbers been over the years, decades? >> Perhaps there are historical trends that might inform this discussion. >> >> Regards, >> Sara Mattes >> ------ >> Sara Mattes >> >> >> >> >>> On Mar 23, 2022, at 9:11 AM, JAY DWYER <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Fuat, >>> >>> “There are lies ,damn lies and statistics”. >>> >>> I agree that we have to take more than one matrix when evaluating >>> performance. In addition to the numerical scores I was also shocked by the >>> number of students leaving to go to private schools. That fact car leaded >>> what did decline in Lincoln school enrollment over the last 10 years as the >>> population has grown. >>> >>> Something is amiss ! >>> >>> People vote with their feet in their pocketbooks when they’re not pleased >>> with the product. >>> >>> If you agree with my perspective please vote for Joseph Dwyer for school >>> committee on March 28. >>> >>> Thank you, >>> >>> Jay Dwyer >>> 603.560.1787 c >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Mar 22, 2022, at 4:51 PM, Fuat Koro <[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Bryce, >>>> >>>> My observation is when residents question the "goodness" of our education, >>>> discussions typically get stuck in much the same way you highlighted: >>>> >>>> "Typical assessment approaches like test scores and rankings by various >>>> publications are not good indicators of our education quality. In the >>>> absence of a yardstick, here are a few personal anecdotes why I think our >>>> education is good (or bad). " >>>> >>>> Perhaps this already exists, but as part of their stated role, the School >>>> Committee should be able to help us understand what our data-driven >>>> evaluation criteria are. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Fuat Koro >>>> >>>> On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 1:59 PM Bryce Wells via Lincoln >>>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> Jay, >>>> >>>> I find it concerning that you are prescribing a solution to a (perceived) >>>> problem without any background or experience as an educator. I find it >>>> galling that you are using Niche.com <http://niche.com/> as your primary >>>> source for the problem, but that's another issue for another time. My >>>> recommendation is that you at least start with the state-mandate >>>> proficiency exams and the school's performance therein... btw, I have no >>>> idea where LPS ranks. >>>> >>>> More homework? Oh brother. Have you vetted or discussed this >>>> multi-pronged plan with Becky McFall or Sharon Hobbs? You might want to >>>> start there and see WHAT shortfalls they think there MIGHT be and how THEY >>>> think they should be solved. That sort of approach will surely get my >>>> attention... and vote. >>>> >>>> Without getting into personal specifics (because as Lincoln Talk's eristic >>>> pundit Dennis Liu would remind me, the plural of anecdote is NOT data), >>>> both my boys went through LPS and are thriving at LS. They were well >>>> prepared for high school. Many of their friends are thriving. Is there >>>> room for improvement? Always. >>>> >>>> Also, personally speaking, they had many friends who went to Fenn or other >>>> private schools. The parents I spoke to about that decision (a deeply >>>> personal one) communicated that they wanted their child in a same-sex >>>> learning environment or they valued the private education experience or >>>> they wanted to provide more avenues for their child outside of LS. >>>> >>>> Thanks for listening. >>>> >>>> Bryce >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 1:34 PM JAY DWYER <[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> Why ? >>>> >>>> Here are the numbers for K-8 Lincoln Schools from : niche.com >>>> <http://niche.com/> >>>> >>>> >>>> 59% proficient in math >>>> 61% proficient in english >>>> >>>> What grade do you get with 61% on a report card? >>>> >>>> You get an F for failure. >>>> >>>> We spent $13 million a year for our schools and this is what we get. >>>> >>>> People with the ability to pay $40,000 a year take their kids out of >>>> Lincoln schools and put them in private schools like Fenn. >>>> You know many families that have done this. >>>> >>>> We are not traditionally rigorous in teaching. One pair and told me she >>>> “liked that her son was not pushed too hard in school” >>>> >>>> This is a poor foundation which is a recipe for failure in future grades >>>> and in life. >>>> >>>> I have a solution they will not cost any money. >>>> >>>> 1) Written homework every night that is graded and handed back the next >>>> morning with a traditional % grade. >>>> >>>> 2) The final exam every week on what you learned that week. >>>> >>>> 3) A report card every Monday morning with average scores of Homeworks and >>>> grade on the final exam with a rank in class. >>>> >>>> I experience this program for three years in 6/7 and eighth grade. I went >>>> through Central Catholic high school in Lawrence it was easy. I graduated >>>> with a degree in economics from Georgetown university and felt 100% >>>> confident that I could learn anything. >>>> >>>> If these ideas makes sense to you I ask for your vote on March 28 for >>>> Lincoln school committee. >>>> >>>> Thank you, >>>> >>>> >>>> Joseph Dwyer >>>> >>>> Lincoln School Board Candidate >>>> 6 Emerson Rd >>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/6+Emerson+Rd+%0D%0ALincoln,+Ma+01773?entry=gmail&source=g> >>>> Lincoln, Ma 01773 >>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/6+Emerson+Rd+%0D%0ALincoln,+Ma+01773?entry=gmail&source=g> >>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>> 603.560.1787 c >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>>> To post, send mail to [email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>>> Search the archives at http://lincoln.2330058.n4.nabble.com/ >>>> <http://lincoln.2330058.n4.nabble.com/>. >>>> Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/ >>>> <https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/>. >>>> Change your subscription settings at >>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln >>>> <https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln>. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>>> To post, send mail to [email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>>> Search the archives at http://lincoln.2330058.n4.nabble.com/ >>>> <http://lincoln.2330058.n4.nabble.com/>. >>>> Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/ >>>> <https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/>. >>>> Change your subscription settings at >>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln >>>> <https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln>. >>>> >>> -- >>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>> To post, send mail to [email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>> Search the archives at http://lincoln.2330058.n4.nabble.com/ >>> <http://lincoln.2330058.n4.nabble.com/>. >>> Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/ >>> <https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/>. >>> Change your subscription settings at >>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln >>> <https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln>. >>> > >> >> -- >> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >> To post, send mail to [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>. >> Search the archives at http://lincoln.2330058.n4.nabble.com/ >> <http://lincoln.2330058.n4.nabble.com/>. >> Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/ >> <https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/>. >> Change your subscription settings at >> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln >> <https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln>. >> > -- > The LincolnTalk mailing list. > To post, send mail to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > Search the archives at http://lincoln.2330058.n4.nabble.com/ > <http://lincoln.2330058.n4.nabble.com/>. > Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/ > <https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/>. > Change your subscription settings at > https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln > <https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln>. >
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