I think we are both showing our age here, perhaps we should draw a veil
over such murky history!
"Wolfe, Gordon W"
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Hey! that was my very first job using VM! VM/SP 2 on a 4331 with 3370 FBA
devices emulating 3310's for the SSX/VSE guest! 0.3 Mips whether you
needed
it or not.
"Problems worthy of attack prove their worth by hitting back."
-Piet Hein, Journal of Irreproducible Results March, 1971
Gordon W. Wolfe, Ph.D
VM Technical SErvices, The Boeing Company, (425)865-5940
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> From: David Goodenough
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> Worse than VM/IS and the 9370, a little before that there was the 4331
> with
> SSX, a packaged version of DOS/VSE. That also made similar claims about
a
> secretary being able to install it, and so we put it to the test. Having
> read the manual we knew that it would format any drives it found, so we
> physically disconnected all the ones with real data on them. Then we let
> her loose, and actually apart from one question about the name of a key
on
> the keyboard (I think it was space which she knew as a blank or the like)
> she succeeded. DOS/VSE had been hidden behind a paper thin venear of
> panels, and it worked quite will, until the real DOS/VSE broke through
> when
> something went wrong. Then you needed a real VSE sysprog. It was a bit
> like the saying about GUIs, they make easy things easy, and difficult
> things impossible. Well SSX made easy things easy, but left you high and
> dry when it went wrong.
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> "Wolfe, Gordon W"
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> >run Linux under z/VM V4. The comments in the
> > announcement about not needing traditional skills...
> >
> Reminds me of 1987 when IBM announced the 9370 and VM/IS. Ads were
> something like "Your Secretary can install it and run it". True. But if
> you EVER needed to change it, say to add more DASD or to grant a
privilege
> to a user, THEN you needed a systems programmer! That's how I got this
> job.
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> "Problems worthy of attack prove their worth by hitting back."
> -Piet Hein, Journal of Irreproducible Results March, 1971
> Gordon W. Wolfe, Ph.D
> VM Technical SErvices, The Boeing Company, (425)865-5940
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> > From: Jim Elliott
> > Reply To: Linux on 390 Port
> > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 12:43 PM
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> > To clarify some mis-conceptions on the list, you get the full z/VM V4
> > product with the zSeries Linux Offering. As Ross stated, these machines
> > only have IFLs and only run in LPAR mode. You can run Linux directly in
> > the LPARs or you can run Linux under z/VM V4. The comments in the
> > announcement about not needing traditional skills relate to your being
> > able to use the "default install" option of z/VM and then using the
z/VM
> > System Administration Facilty. This is NOT another VIF.
> >
> > It is my personal expectation that while customers without VM skills
> > will start this way, they will quickly want to develop VM skills so
they
> > can take advantage of the full function provided by z/VM V4!
> >
> > Regards, Jim Elliott - Linux Advocate, IBM Canada Ltd.
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