On Tue, 3 Dec 2002 19:18:42 -0800, Dean Kent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>>
>> Complain if you want but the reality is if you want a hobbyist license you
>have
>> to find a way for IBM to make money on it. Heck, you might get them to at
>least
>> listen to you if you could find a way for them to break-even on the
>license (but
>> I doubt it).
>
>Interestingly, I am quite sure IBM doesn't make money on Linux itself.
>They make their money with it in other ways.   Where there is a will, there
>is a way.  The question is simply whether there is a will.
>
>I was at an IBM seminar where they talked about TCP/IP vs. Token Ring.  IBM
>figured they would 'win' that battle because Token Ring was architecturally
>superior.  The finally admitted that the limitations that TCP/IP had were
>simply engineering problems, and that the cost of Token Ring made it
>uncompetitive.  We now all use TCP/IP, however inferior it is.
It is a valid argument, but it was Token Ring versus Ethernet
(hardware) or TCP/IP versus SNA (software). In each case IBM hubris
led to a great fall.
>
>MVS/VM/VSE will suffer the same fate unless IBM figures out a way to make it
>cheap.  I'm sure it is simply a business problem that can be solved if one
>thinks 'outside the box'.    For example, one could offer a completely
>unsupported copy of zOS, zVM or VSE and Flex-ES for the cost of
>copying/delivery/etc. with a license that says non-commercial use (Intel
>does this with their Linux compilers, for example).   If you want to later
>develop a commercial product - you pay what everyone else pays.    No loss
>of revenues, as there is no support - but potentially a larger group of ISVs
>later.  Anyway, it seems like it has worked elsewhere for other 'inferior'
>platforms...  :-)
>
>Regards,
>    Dean
>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Jeff
>> --
>> Jeffrey C Barnard
>> Barnard Software, Inc. http://www.bsiopti.com
>> Phone 407-323-4773 Fax 407-323-4775

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