Nope. BTW, a 3174-22L can be rack mounted in a 19-inch rack.
Peter I. Vander Woude Sr. Mainframe Engineer Harris Teeter, Inc. >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/15/2003 12:27:12 PM >>> CAN you EMIF an ESCON 3174? > A friend will help you move. A really good friend will help you move > the body. Gordon W. Wolfe, Ph.D. VM Technical Services, The Boeing Company (425)865-5940 > ---------- > From: David Boyes > Reply To: Linux on 390 Port > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 7:35 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: 2074 and the HMC > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > > Alan Altmark > > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 9:49 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: 2074 and the HMC > > [... snip ...] > > > > On a personal note, I have never understood the aversion to > > having 3270 > > access for all LPARs on all CECs. Given the value you > > receive, the IBM > > 2074, or similar non-IBM products, are worth the relatively > > small expense. > > Think about it this way: > > A 2074 is not cheap (> $10K), and the floor space required for enough > 3174s and associated 3270s to serve all possible LPARs is expensive as > well, even if the devices themselves are almost free on the used market. > 3174s don't fit in 19" racks, and they're yet another device to have to > pay hardware maintenance on. Setting up an EMIFed ESCON 3174 as your > first experience with 390 hw configuration is NOT for the faint of > heart, and CE/FE's ain't what they used to be, even with system > assurance mtgs, etc. > > It's also an expectation issue -- for a new 390 customer, the concept of > paying an extra $10-20K for a 2074 console controller just to be able to > *boot* their new $400K mainframe or install the OS is pretty silly -- > yes, it's a good thing to have, but the $40K Sun sitting next to it > requires a $10 serial cable or a PC keyboard and monitor that they > probably have sitting on their desk. Even on the multi-million Sunfire > systems, you can still install the OS with what comes in the box. > > Consider also that is is pretty difficult to integrate a 3270 into an > existing console management solution. You can't just buy another $50 KVM > cable, and rebuilding your console infrastructure for one system isn't a > particularly popular idea with most ops groups -- most organizations > have enough trouble getting operators to pay attention to their systems > when the KVM switch automatically changes the view every 30 seconds. The > system that isn't part of that integrated KVM environment won't ever get > attention. > > It's these kind of stupid little integration issues that emphasize the > difference between 390 and other systems, and they make selling 390 to > non-390 customers hard. > > -- db > >
