Well damn the marketing department for killing the mainframe!
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James,
Actually the z800 and z900 are classified as Enterprise Servers, so in
effect, you no longer have a mainframe!!!!
Loren Charnley, Jr.
Tech Support Administrator
Family Dollar Stores, Inc.
Phone: (704) 847-6961 Ext. 2000
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> I will add this caveat - the reason the doomsayers were wrong about Y2K
is
> because the collective lot of us who twiddle code across the globe took
> GREAT steps to ensure it was a non problem.
> My relatives kept asking me if things were going to fail, and I said a
few
> minor things will go wonky, but nothign major we depend on because my
> colleagues across the world were making sure the problem was eradicated.
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> If we had done nothing as an industry however, all hell would have broken
> loose.
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> Gartner also said the mainframe was dead 8 years ago. I guess the Z900
and
> Z800 in my datacenter are not supposed to exist . In any case, there are
> those that believe that the sun rises and sets in the posterior crevasse
> of
> the gartner group, and their word is law.
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> *My* experience with Gartner is that they just parrot what the last few
> customers told them about whatever you're asking. I'd call and ask about
> some product or other, and they'd give me an opinion.
> If I disagreed with it, they REALLY wanted to know why, and I'm sure
> whatever I told them worked it's way into their position. They seem to
do
> research by dynamic consensus. But this is pretty much
> what they say they do, isn't it? Do no independent research, just
collect
> opinions from subscribers, and redistribute them.
>
> With Y2K, I guess they were hearing overblown paranoid doomsday
scenarios,
> and just repeating them like they do with everything else, paying no
> attention to what was REALLY going on. Probably they
> didn't hear about all of the work being done because those doing it were
> too busy to talk to them. The only ones who DID talk had nothing better
> to
> do than fret.
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gregg C Levine [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 2:05 PM
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> > Hello again from Gregg C Levine
> > Then how come during the Y2K business, they bungled it badly? They
> > thought that during the craze to get everything fixed, the group,
> > would not? But we did, as everyone on this list, knows.
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> > Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > "The Force will be with you...Always." Obi-Wan Kenobi
> > "Use the Force, Luke." Obi-Wan Kenobi
> > (This company dedicates this E-Mail to General Obi-Wan Kenobi )
> > (This company dedicates this E-Mail to Master Yoda )
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> > Of
> > > Adam Thornton
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 1:43 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Gartner speaks
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> > > On Thu, 2003-07-24 at 07:08, Joe Poole wrote:
> > > > We're still rolling out the penguins (without fur BTW). Websphere
> > > > Commerce Suite is the latest effort, running in test instances.
> > Our
> > > > CIO is in "wait and see" mode, as are we all. Attorneys agree.
> > > > Without proof, there's no reason to stop.
> > >
> > > It's been my perception for a number of years that Gartner is
> > largely a
> > > Microsoft mouthpiece.
> > >
> > > Oh, and, by the way:
> > >
> > > I own copyright over code that 95% of the Windows code out there
> > > infringes on. I refuse to show it to you or anyone, because it's a
> > > trade secret. But I demand that each and every one of you who have
> > ever
> > > so much as *seen* a computer running Windows immediately pay me
> > $1000.
> > > PER COMPUTER. Or else I'm going to sue. So just Paypal it to me,
> > OK?
> > >
> > > Adam
> >
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