James, Actually the z800 and z900 are classified as Enterprise Servers, so in effect, you no longer have a mainframe!!!!
Loren Charnley, Jr. Tech Support Administrator Family Dollar Stores, Inc. Phone: (704) 847-6961 Ext. 2000 > -----Original Message----- > From: James Melin [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 2:40 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Gartner speaks > > I will add this caveat - the reason the doomsayers were wrong about Y2K is > because the collective lot of us who twiddle code across the globe took > GREAT steps to ensure it was a non problem. > My relatives kept asking me if things were going to fail, and I said a few > minor things will go wonky, but nothign major we depend on because my > colleagues across the world were making sure the problem was eradicated. > > If we had done nothing as an industry however, all hell would have broken > loose. > > Gartner also said the mainframe was dead 8 years ago. I guess the Z900 and > Z800 in my datacenter are not supposed to exist . In any case, there are > those that believe that the sun rises and sets in the posterior crevasse > of > the gartner group, and their word is law. > > > > |---------+----------------------------> > | | "Hall, Ken (IDS | > | | ECCS)" | > | | <[EMAIL PROTECTED]| > | | ml.com> | > | | Sent by: Linux on| > | | 390 Port | > | | <[EMAIL PROTECTED]| > | | IST.EDU> | > | | | > | | | > | | 07/24/2003 01:20 | > | | PM | > | | Please respond to| > | | Linux on 390 Port| > | | | > |---------+----------------------------> > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -----------------------------------------------------| > | > | > | To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > | > | cc: > | > | Subject: Re: Gartner speaks > | > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -----------------------------------------------------| > > > > > *My* experience with Gartner is that they just parrot what the last few > customers told them about whatever you're asking. I'd call and ask about > some product or other, and they'd give me an opinion. > If I disagreed with it, they REALLY wanted to know why, and I'm sure > whatever I told them worked it's way into their position. They seem to do > research by dynamic consensus. But this is pretty much > what they say they do, isn't it? Do no independent research, just collect > opinions from subscribers, and redistribute them. > > With Y2K, I guess they were hearing overblown paranoid doomsday scenarios, > and just repeating them like they do with everything else, paying no > attention to what was REALLY going on. Probably they > didn't hear about all of the work being done because those doing it were > too busy to talk to them. The only ones who DID talk had nothing better > to > do than fret. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Gregg C Levine [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 2:05 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Gartner speaks > > > > > > Hello again from Gregg C Levine > > Then how come during the Y2K business, they bungled it badly? They > > thought that during the craze to get everything fixed, the group, > > would not? But we did, as everyone on this list, knows. > > ------------------- > > Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > "The Force will be with you...Always." Obi-Wan Kenobi > > "Use the Force, Luke." Obi-Wan Kenobi > > (This company dedicates this E-Mail to General Obi-Wan Kenobi ) > > (This company dedicates this E-Mail to Master Yoda ) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > > Of > > > Adam Thornton > > > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 1:43 PM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Gartner speaks > > > > > > On Thu, 2003-07-24 at 07:08, Joe Poole wrote: > > > > We're still rolling out the penguins (without fur BTW). Websphere > > > > Commerce Suite is the latest effort, running in test instances. > > Our > > > > CIO is in "wait and see" mode, as are we all. Attorneys agree. > > > > Without proof, there's no reason to stop. > > > > > > It's been my perception for a number of years that Gartner is > > largely a > > > Microsoft mouthpiece. > > > > > > Oh, and, by the way: > > > > > > I own copyright over code that 95% of the Windows code out there > > > infringes on. I refuse to show it to you or anyone, because it's a > > > trade secret. But I demand that each and every one of you who have > > ever > > > so much as *seen* a computer running Windows immediately pay me > > $1000. > > > PER COMPUTER. Or else I'm going to sue. So just Paypal it to me, > > OK? > > > > > > Adam > > >
