Hi Brandon. I have some comments on your last post. I hope this could help in any way.
[...] My average Unix SA's around me expect to be able to use vi,
and most of them have no clue what to do without it.
"sed" is a powerful tool for rescuing in a TN3270. As for manually
doing the ifconfig, fine and dandy, as long as they can get to the man page for it.
If the SA can reach the server in problem, they surely can type "man ifconfig" in google.com/linux . Or just log on to any other working linux on the same site. Unless all of your guests are down... They're use to Solaris and HP, they aren't going to know
the linux syntax and device names without a reference... which at home in the middle of the night on-call they won't have readily.
They don't have to, that's why we all use the man pages. Or even google! Edit files with vi, ping a host and control-c out of it You can send "^C" in a TN3270, which is indeed a Ctrl-C . Works perfectly to stop a ping command. , bash and ksh shell history navigation keys, You can use the "history" command and to replay the 29th command, send !29 in the console. Map the PF12 key to retreive by issuing the "#CP SET PF12 RETIEVE" command in the console to replay the last couple of commands. the TUI form of Yast, etc etc. YaST is only a frontend. Everything YaST does can be done by editing some files. Without that, it won't get adopted by the rest of Unixdom, at least not
here. Most of these admins have never seen a mainframe, let alone have any idea how to deal with one. It's not just that they want to be ignorant, there's also the cost of training them to do something differently.
Everything IMHO is a question of determination and interest. I never used a TN3270 console 1 year from now. It did not stop me to admin more than 100 linux guest under VM. I was willing to learn it and loved it. I only use the console to IPL and rescue the machines. They need to be able to do console work the way they
always have, simple as that. I know this must sound like a bunch of useless whining to those of you at home with the way things are now, and it's why most of this goes unsaid for so very very long. But if we ever want the average Unix admin to be able to work on these boxes comfortably, they need a console that is familiar.
Intel linux boxes and mainframe Linux boxes are not the same. You need to learn some things to be able to manage linuxes on the z. I fully understand your point, but I'm trying to give you some answers. I know it's hard to change some old habits, but managing Linux on the z is not all about TN3270. Regards. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
