Linux-Advocacy Digest #558, Volume #25 Wed, 8 Mar 00 11:13:07 EST
Contents:
Re: Salary? (Matthias Warkus)
Re: my .02 on linux (Matthias Warkus)
Re: VIRUS ALERT! (W32/Shoerec)
Re: Winvocates 10...Linvocates 0 (Donal K. Fellows)
Re: Absolute failure of Linux dead ahead? (Wolfgang Weisselberg)
Re: 11 Days Wasted ON Linux ("Mr. Rupert")
Re: 11 Days Wasted ON Linux ("Mr. Rupert")
Re: Drestin Black = Village Idiot (Hexdump)
Re: 3 out of 4 PCs do not need browsers ("2 + 2")
Re: Disproving the lies. ("Rob Hughes")
Re: Giving up on NT (Carrer Yuri)
Re: Winvocates 10...Linvocates 0 (Donal K. Fellows)
Re: I can't stand this X anymore! (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: I can't stand this X anymore! (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: I can't stand this X anymore! (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: Microsoft migrates Hotmail to W2K (Wolfgang Weisselberg)
Re: Salary?
Re: Salary? (Jan Schaumann)
Re: Salary? (Bob Hauck)
Re: Salary? (Paul Jakma)
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Salary?
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 15:02:19 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Tue, 7 Mar 2000 21:21:08 -0800...
...and Jim Richardson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> While I was living in England, which was admittadly, over 15
> years ago, food was more expensive than the US, so was petrol,
> phone, rent, cars, computers, and just about everything I can
> think of offhand. When my mom and stepfather moved to the states
> in 1987 or so, one of the reasons was the high cost of living in
> England, (and of course the taxes) (the other was to be near my
> mom's family, in Missouri.) I can't speak for now personally, but
> the friends I have in England, still complain to me about high
> prices for electronics, cars, & etc, and the prices they tell me
> of seem rather high to me.
England is expensive in certain respects. So is France, BTW. But in
Germany, for example, computers are generally cheaper than they in the
U.S., indeed, we're one of the cheapest countries when it comes to
buying computers. I suppose England and France have similar advantages
in certain areas. Whether a country is expensive or cheap for Joe
Schmoe does not depend entirely on the country, it depends on Joe's
needs and tastes just as well.
mawa
--
/The American Way of Life:/ Schon was sie essen und trinken, diese
Bleichlinge, die nicht wissen, was Wein ist, diese Vitamin-Fresser,
die kalten Tee trinken und Watte kauen und nicht wissen, was Brot ist,
dieses Coca-Cola-Volk [...] -- Faber, in: Max Frisch, _Homo_Faber_
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Subject: Re: my .02 on linux
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 14:59:19 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Wed, 08 Mar 2000 02:25:14 -0800...
...and David Little <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> OS. I've also used KDE, and found that to be a rather slow window
> manager, too.
KDE is not a window manager.
> GNOME is nowhere ready to replace windows...
GNOME does not intend to replace Windows.
> I believe that for linux to suceed on the desktop, it has to
> have a windows-like or easier UI, or else very few will bother to
> switch.
<sigh> Another one. When will people finally understand that the
primary goal of Linux is not making people switch to it from one
platform or another?
mawa
--
Teaticket, Massachusetts | Tightwad, Missouri | Hot Coffee,
Sleepy Eye, Minnesota | Peculiar, Missouri | Mississippi
Dinkytown, Minnesota | Jerk Tail, Missouri |
-- U.S. placenames
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: VIRUS ALERT! (W32/Shoerec)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 14:13:45 GMT
On 7 Mar 2000 19:49:01 -0800, david parsons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>Take it to a newsgroup that cares. Anyone who runs an executable from a
>>cmplete stranger deserves to have their computer destroyed.
>>
>>FYI: you posted to a LINUX newsgroup. Nobody running linux would be
>>affected by such a virius.
>
> Nonsense. If you're running a Linux fileserver that supports a bunch
> of Windows machines, it might be kind of useful to occasionally fish
> for virii in the files you're serving up to the Windows boxes. And
> if those Windows boxes are used for reading news, well, the original
> article in this thread is pretty good evidence that binaries can be
> found in Usenet news.
You have windows machines that execute binaries out of the linux
newsgroup? Pretty strange.
Anybody who'd execute a binary from a complete stranger deserves to have
their machine destroyed.
We don't need some whiney spamming 'bot to tell us.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donal K. Fellows)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Winvocates 10...Linvocates 0
Date: 8 Mar 2000 14:05:37 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
The Ghost In The Machine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Bear in mind that the user <-> group relationship is many-many.
> This means that a user can belong to many groups, and of course a
> group has many users in it, usually, although it can have as few as
> one, and possibly even zero, although it wouldn't be all that
> useful, perhaps.
>
> But that makes it almost as powerful as any ACL scheme I've seen, at
> least in theory. I'm not sure if ACL wildcards such as ?*fred?* are
> all that useful, really, and the VMS scheme (which had four groups:
> system, owner, group, world, and four bits: read, write, execute,
> delete) maps to the Unix scheme with little loss (although I for one
> don't remember whether a directory in VMS had to be writable in
> order for a file therewithin being deletable with its 'D' bit set).
The main difference between ACLs and groups is that users can create
their own ACLs but only the sysadmin can create groups. Not that this
makes much difference in practise
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> How 'bout if you wanted to give one group Read/Add and another
>> group Modify? How would you do that in Linux?
Typically, wherever you need that sort of distinction, it is better to
synchronise access via a service[*] rather than giving direct access
to the data files, since not only does that permit a richer and more
subtle set of actions, but also you avoid a lot of troublesome issues
relating to locking. Most of the time, the usual Unix perms give
enough power for the majority of normal user operations (writing
documents, accessing the web, playing games, writing and compiling
software, etc.)
Donal.
[* Don't you just *love* sockets and identd? ]
--
Donal K. Fellows http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~fellowsd/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- The small advantage of not having California being part of my country would
be overweighed by having California as a heavily-armed rabid weasel on our
borders. -- David Parsons <o r c @ p e l l . p o r t l a n d . o r . u s>
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Wolfgang Weisselberg)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: Absolute failure of Linux dead ahead?
Date: 8 Mar 2000 14:15:19 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 07 Mar 2000 20:54:46 +0000,
Nix <$}xinix{[email protected]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Wolfgang Weisselberg) writes:
> > Also the 2038-problem differs because it is Not There on 64bit
> > machines
> Filesystems use time_t too.
Semi-sane Fs use version-numbers. So use a different one (or a
flag) when you compile it for 64 bits.
Or do you use dd to transfer raw partitions between different
architectures?
-Wolfgang
------------------------------
From: "Mr. Rupert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 11 Days Wasted ON Linux
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 08:31:17 -0600
Hello Chad!
Itchy wrote:
>
> As a small business owner I am always interested in ways to save money. We
> switched from Apple to
> IBM when Apple's pricing became too much to handle. I recently tried Redhat
> Linux in the hopes
> that I could save some money.
>
> Well I spent 11 days messing around with this so called operating system and
> for the life
> of me can't figure out why in the world anyone in business would want to
> waste
> time on this obviously hacked together, half finished program.
>
> Maybe some day when it is completed I will try it again but for now, it has
> been thrown in the garbage can where it belongs. I have a business to run
> and can't waste time searching the internet looking for ways to accomplish
> simple tasks.
> Mr. Gates provides me easy ways of running my programs and as a result
> running my
> business. Linux had better wake up, fast.
>
> Aimee
------------------------------
From: "Mr. Rupert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 11 Days Wasted ON Linux
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 08:31:54 -0600
Hello Chad!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> I would except all my DVD stuff is unsupported by Linux :(
>
> pickle
>
> On 7 Mar 2000 01:31:00 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
> wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 07 Mar 2000 00:20:59 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> >>YOU are the stupid one :(
> >
> >Ignore 5X3. He's only slightly more credible than you, namemaster.
> >
> >>Linux will sink to the bottom like the torpedoed Lusitania....
> >>
> >>It's already on it's way down as we speak...
> >>
> >>I can't wait till the day it hits rock bottom, and it will be soon.
> >
> >Yeah yeah yeah. We've been hearing about how Linux is "gonna die" for years,
> >but all we see is more ports of commercial software, better applications,
> >more mainstream acceptance, growing sales and revenues.
> >
> >Look, can't you find something better to fantasize about than Linux's
> >"collapse" ? Go watch some porn or something.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hexdump)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux
Subject: Re: Drestin Black = Village Idiot
Date: 8 Mar 2000 14:45:52 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 07 Mar 2000 20:43:14 GMT, Curious G wrote:
>Matt Corey wrote:
>>
>>
>> Drestin Yellow: Give him a wide brimmed yellow hat to go with it and
>> he can escort a very curious monkey around. (I think I just dated
>> myself)
>>
>If that's true, them I'm in serious trouble.
I wouldn't worry about it excessively. I read all those as a child as
well. I'm only 24. Don't know if that helps or not.
--
JC
------------------------------
From: "2 + 2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.microsoft.sucks,alt.conspiracy.microsoft
Subject: Re: 3 out of 4 PCs do not need browsers
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 09:47:58 -0500
Chad Myers wrote in message ...
>
>"Cliff Wagner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>
>> I'd rather avoid the security flaws inherent to ActiveX and
>> stick with what already works.
>
>Like what? Java? hahahaha....
>
>Please, what other packaged internet-distributable and executable
>isolated runtimes are there?
SOAP within an XML framework. See
http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdnmag/issues/0300/soap/soap.asp
2 + 2
>ActiveX is merely an implementation of COM that allows distribution
>of COM components.
>
>ActiveX could use a little work on the security side, however
>Java ain't the most secure either.
>
>> See: Microsoft Active Setup
>
>See: Just about any Java applet
>
>> So what would possess me to need ActiveX over other technologies?
>
>1.) It works
>2.) It's well documented
>3.) It's easy to create components
>4.) The client side works extremely well
>5.) Easily scriptable, and you don't even have to use JavaScript if
> you don't want to!
>
>What other technologies are there, by the way?
>
>And please don't say java.
>
>"Write once... write again for Slowaris, again for Macintosh, again
> for Windows, again for..."
>
>
>-Chad
>
>
------------------------------
From: "Rob Hughes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Disproving the lies.
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 08:51:31 -0600
heh...
<quote>
Our research has shown that there are distinct differences in how
traditional IS managers and dot.com IS managers design and manage their
computing infrastructure-accordingly, there are clear differences in what
these IS managers define as acceptable from a scalability, reliability,
availability, manageability, and security point of view. Frequently, what is
not acceptable to a traditional IS manager in terms of single system
scalability may be fully acceptable to a dot.com IS manager. What may be
acceptable to a dot.com IS manager from a systems reliability perspective
may be wholly unacceptable to a traditional IS manager.
</quote>
nuff said.
"Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> It's a very long read but it is very well documented and detailed.
>
> This report from Aberdeen Group is something I waited for for some time. I
> knew they were creating it but had no idea it had come out already. They
are
> reporting now factually what I've been saying for some time and what I
> continue to say. NT is reliable and definately enterprise ready. W2K even
> much more so.
>
> NT Advocates will find themselves nodding their heads and probably smiling
a
> lot at things they will think "I have been saying that!" and will also
find
> some very nice supporting documentation to our claims. A *FAIR*
> anti-MS/anti-NT type IF they are capable of setting aside prejudgment and
> bias will probably find suprises in the report. I hope, but doubt, that
many
> linvocates will at last find that we've been making claims consistant with
> reality as regards enterprise readiness and uptime reliability for NT.
>
> If you intend to continue as an advocate you will do all of us a favor by
> reading this link.
> http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/guide/server/reviews/dotcoms.asp
>
> if you are afraid of the truth there is always slashdot. org
>
>
====== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ======
http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!
======= Over 80,000 Newsgroups = 16 Different Servers! ======
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Carrer Yuri)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Giving up on NT
Date: 8 Mar 2000 17:49:53 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, fred <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On 20 Feb 2000 16:21:34 GMT, When in LA wrote:
>Many people own both.
>
>But the plain fact is, they provide different environments. The PC
>offers a very rich environment with a variety of different input
>methods, and a much higher quality output. As such, the games which
>are available for the PC offer much more complexity and function.
>
>But the games which exist for the consoles offer ease of use, and the
>convenience of sitting in your living room.
>
Consider also that a lot of people DON'T want to run a game on the same computer wich
run their financial programs!!!!
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donal K. Fellows)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Winvocates 10...Linvocates 0
Date: 8 Mar 2000 14:51:04 GMT
In article <8809bo$7gb$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Stephen S. Edwards II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Rob S. Wolfram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> Stephen S. Edwards II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Donal K. Fellows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>> "Daily recompile of security patches"? What world do you live on?
>>> Do you even understand how patches in Linux are fixed?
Yes. Do you?
(FYI, recompile is only necessary when you've built the code in
question from source yourself, and reboot is only necessary when
you've updated a non-module part of the kernel.)
>>> First, the patches must be untarred into your kernel
>>> source directory. Then, yes, you have to recompile
>>> the kernel in order for the new changes to take effect.
>>
>> I think the emphasis here laid on the word "daily". In that I agree with
>> Donal that a wrong impression is being spread by Chad Myers.
>
> "Daily" may not be the case, but it's a fact that Linux
> needs to be updated far more often than WindowsNT does.
WTF are you following the development branch for? That's for kernel
hackers and masochists only. The overwhelming majority of Linux users
wait for the stable releases, and most of those use precompiled
packages put together by the likes of RH and Debian.
> How often does Microsoft release a hotfix, or a Service Pack?
> I guarantee you, it's not nearly as often as Linux patches are
> released. Many Linux advocates are deluded into thinking that
> the frequent patch releases for Linux are due to the developers
> being "on top of things", but what it really amounts to is "lots
> of problems under the hood".
Linux patches do tend to be smaller though, since each typically only
fixes a single problem as opposed to updating thousands of files
across the whole system. The MS way of patch distribution (collect
together a huge bunch in one go) is suited to distribution on physical
media (like CDs) and the Linux way of patch distribution is suited to
online distribution. Which do you think is better in a wired world?
>>> Nobody is claiming that. However, WindowsNT does have a lot more
>>> to offer in the way of security than Linux does.
>> Please elaborate. I am /very/ curious.
> Consider WindowsNT's permission structure. UNIX and UNIX-like
> OSen have three fundamental types of users... root, group, and
> everyone.
Groups are users? D'oh! There I was thinking they were sets of
users. My bad!
> WindowsNT has by default, Administrators, Power Users,
> Guests, Users, Backup Operators, and others. You can create new
> user account profiles easily, and quickly. I know that "how" one
> goes about this comes down to pure preference, but I for one think
> that being able to use a GUI to manage security is much more elegant
> and useful then having to edit text files in /etc until you are blue
> in the face. :-)
I have, in the past, had accounts on Unix systems where the operations
permitted with the account were far more restricted than what you
identify (e.g. I could read email, but nothing else.) On NT, there is
One True GUI For Everything(TM), even when it perhaps might be better
arranged otherwise.
BTW, what is the difference between Power Users and ordinary Users?
(Admins correspond approximately to the root user and the wheel group,
Backup Operators are users with special shells, and Guest is not an
option a truly paranoid admin would want to permit... :^)
Donal.
--
Donal K. Fellows http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~fellowsd/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- The small advantage of not having California being part of my country would
be overweighed by having California as a heavily-armed rabid weasel on our
borders. -- David Parsons <o r c @ p e l l . p o r t l a n d . o r . u s>
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Re: I can't stand this X anymore!
Date: 8 Mar 2000 13:20:34 GMT
On Wed, 08 Mar 2000 03:37:26 -0700, Warren Young wrote:
>Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 07 Mar 2000 23:48:05 GMT, Christopher Wong wrote:
>> >On 7 Mar 2000 05:55:38 GMT, Donovan Rebbechi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> >If I throw out a bundle of extra cash to get a Postscript-capable
>> >printer,
>>
>> Myth: Postscript printers are expensive
>> Fact: Postscript Lasers start at $400-, postscript inkjets start at $100-
>
>Do you have specific examples? This $100 Postscript-enabled inkjet
>printer I just gotta see. We are talking "new" prices here, aren't we?
Yep. See the Lexmark Optra 40. There's a link to a few of them on the
printing HOWTO page.
http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/pht/
>In my experience, any given printer, if it comes in Postscript and
>non-Postscript versions, will cost $100 to $300 more for the Postscript
>version.
Well the Lexmark Optra E310 which I have is a PS laser that goes for $400.
>I just bought a used HP 5MP (postscript version of the personal-laser
>class 5P printer) for a bit over $500, and thought I got a pretty good
>deal.
Not bad. It's a very solid printer. I wouldn't call the '5' "personal"
though. It's more like an office printer, and is designed to pull fairly
high volumes.
--
Donovan
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Re: I can't stand this X anymore!
Date: 8 Mar 2000 13:55:21 GMT
On Wed, 08 Mar 2000 03:40:20 -0700, Warren Young wrote:
>xfstt and xfsft are both TrueType X font servers. xfsft uses FreeType,
>xfstt uses something else....
xfsft is basically a patch that you add to xfs to make it support TrueType.
So it's not really a "TrueType font server", it's a TrueType add-on for xfs.
--
Donovan
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Re: I can't stand this X anymore!
Date: 8 Mar 2000 14:01:44 GMT
On Wed, 08 Mar 2000 03:30:46 -0700, Warren Young wrote:
>I have a collection of the 35 Adobe Postscript fonts -- real Adobe
>foundry fonts, not cheap knockoffs. I've got them installed on my home
>Linux box, and they _suck_ on screen.
The same seems to be true of the URW fonts. URW, like Adobe, are one of the
major foundries. Suffice it to say that they're not amateurs.
>Face it: screen hinting is hard -- no one puts much time into it unless
>they specifically intend for the font to be used on a computer screen.
>Microsoft (or rather, Monotype) has done that with their fonts, but I've
>yet to see any others. (I'm sure they're out there -- the point is,
>they're rare.)
Pretty true. It's worth mentioning that there are other screen fonts
though. For example, Adobe also
have a special "web font" pack which contains properly hinted fonts. But
the thing is that the foundries are targetting people who want to print
their documents, so print quality takes precedence over screen quality.
--
Donovan
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Wolfgang Weisselberg)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft migrates Hotmail to W2K
Date: 8 Mar 2000 15:33:42 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 6 Mar 2000 13:02:00 -0500,
Drestin Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Wolfgang Weisselberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
> message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Just imagine for a second ...
> > ... W2K is the safest Windows out there, as it stands. Now
> > where does that leave NT? Not to speak of Win XX ?
> Well, it leaves...
> Level of safety:
> W2K>NT4
But MS Marketing told us that NT is the best thing since sliced
bread, C2, absolutely secure and ... oh? Today they tell us that
W2K is the best thing since sliced bread, C2 (in spe), absolutely
secure and so on, and that NT is crashy and not really that
secure.
You know, with these experiences one starts to doubt.
> Win xx is unknown so cannot be rated.
Win 95 and 98 are a bit less secure than DOS: DOS was harder to
network. Win XX would stand for these (and maybe 3.x) here,
sionce NT could not be meant.
> Why is this in any way bad or unusual?
It's just their marketing, doing another 180�.
> Isn't the security in the latest linux kernel better than in previous
> kernels?
No, the latest kernels are usually development kernels, which
are not required or expected to be stable or secure.
> Does this mean that all previous linux kernels were completely
> insecure?
Linux don't need to hype security. It has it's own merits. One
of them being that you can choose not to use it, if you don't
trust it. And Linux-users know better (or ought to) than to imply
that Linux was the most secure OS ever. If I wanted something
really secure, I could turn to one of the very security focussed
distributions or use OpenBSD ... and still have most stuff work.
And if I have a Watergate to conceal, there's still A1.
That's not to say that the kernel or Linux is insecure. It just
has a different cut-off between security and features than an A1
system ... and it's secure enough (unless misadminisrated) for
most things.
-Wolfgang
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Salary?
Date: 8 Mar 2000 15:38:40 GMT
>England is expensive in certain respects. So is France, BTW. But in
>Germany, for example, computers are generally cheaper than they in the
>U.S., indeed, we're one of the cheapest countries when it comes to
>buying computers. I suppose England and France have similar advantages
>in certain areas. Whether a country is expensive or cheap for Joe
>Schmoe does not depend entirely on the country, it depends on Joe's
>needs and tastes just as well.
What is actually the reason for computers being cheaper in Germany? As far as I
would hazard to guess, there aren't too many being manufactured here.
Ken
Remove "nospam" and "stopit" to email.
------------------------------
From: Jan Schaumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Salary?
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 10:46:29 -0500
Matthias Warkus wrote:
<snipped as I will go compeltely OT>
>
> mawa
> --
> /The American Way of Life:/ Schon was sie essen und trinken, diese
> Bleichlinge, die nicht wissen, was Wein ist, diese Vitamin-Fresser,
> die kalten Tee trinken und Watte kauen und nicht wissen, was Brot ist,
> dieses Coca-Cola-Volk [...] -- Faber, in: Max Frisch, _Homo_Faber_
markus,
I like your sigs. :)
You seem to have a script that cats a different sig in every message you
compose - how did you do that? (If you don't want to go OT here, just
email me directly if you don't mind).
Thanks,
-Jan
--
Jan Schaumann
http://jschauma-0.dsl.speakeasy.net/
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Salary?
Date: 8 Mar 2000 15:49:28 GMT
Reply-To: bobh{at}haucks{dot}org
On Wed, 8 Mar 2000 01:56:30 +0100, Matthias Warkus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Same goes for banks and TV networks in Germany. I, for one, am glad
>that my bank account is handled by an independent, non-profit
>organisation working for the good of the public instead of some
>turbo-capitalist global-player corporation that's busily planning the
>next merger.
We call those "Credit Unions" here in the US. And I much prefer doing
business with one of those or a small local bank (there are a few left)
rather than one of the mega banks. I've had accounts with small banks
that got bought by bigger ones, and in every single case fees went up and
service went down.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.bobh.org/
------------------------------
From: Paul Jakma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Salary?
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 15:54:04 +0000
> Houses are very unreasonably priced on both coasts of the U.S.
> They're much more affordable in between ($100K gets you a decent 3
> bedroom in the middle class suburbs of Cleveland;
$100k for a 3 bedroom house? wow! In Ireland 3 bedroom house with 2
toilets, large kitchen, dining room, living room would cost at least IEP
�120k (about $150k). And that would be for a house in the far off
suburbs off dublin, eg Lucan, Leixlip, Maynooth. (ie 30 to 50minutes
away from dublin. 1hour+ in rush hour).
For a house closer to dublin, eg 20min, you'd pay at least double that.
My parents sold my gran's house about 7 years after she'd died for
�110k. It's a 4 bedroom bungalow in churchtown, reasonably close to the
city centre. It was put up for sale again a couple of months ago and
fetched �500k (~$750m).
South of England is even worse i've heard. You'll pay UKP �300k for a
small house down there..
Salaries: PC tech's get around IEP �18-25k salary, Unix specialists can
expect �25-45k, consultants: sky's the limit. Tax is 46% + 5% or so in
social insurance (which is not optional). Food is expensive. (you'll pay
at least �50 a week to feed yourself). Drink is expensive, but we do it
anyway cause Guiness is just impossible to resist. Petrol is expensive.
(but not as expensive as the UK). Finally: it rains here.. all the
bloody time. So we invariably have to spend most of our time indoors -
the pub preferably. :)
The only benefit to europe is that we get to drive better cars with
real suspension and gears at much higher speeds than the yanks. I
wouldn't dream of driving at /less than/ 80MPH down the motorway. :) and
even round town you tend to do about 50 when there's no traffic.
And finally we don't have to worry about getting shot here. From
television it sometimes seems like you couldn't walk down a street in
the US without getting mugged. :) (cops here in Ireland don't need
guns)
and finally, we don't speak with that awful nasal accent that the yanks
do.. thanks be to god.
:)
> Joe
-paul.
------------------------------
** FOR YOUR REFERENCE **
The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests
to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is:
Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux.advocacy) via:
Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites:
ftp.funet.fi pub/Linux
tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux
sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux
End of Linux-Advocacy Digest
******************************
