Linux-Advocacy Digest #558, Volume #33 Thu, 12 Apr 01 19:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: Blame it all on Microsoft ("Joseph T. Adams")
Re: Basement Boy: Aka Aaron Koookis (Karel Jansens)
Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message (The Ghost In The
Machine)
Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: Linux on Compaq...coming this Summer. (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: Blame it all on Microsoft (Chad Everett)
Re: Blame it all on Microsoft (Goldhammer)
Re: Undeniable proof that Aaron R. Kulkis is a hypocrite, and a ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised ("Joseph T. Adams")
Re: Blame it all on Microsoft ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) ("Joseph T. Adams")
Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) ("Joseph T. Adams")
Re: Linux on Compaq...coming this Summer. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
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From: "Joseph T. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.theory,comp.arch,comp.object
Subject: Re: Blame it all on Microsoft
Date: 12 Apr 2001 22:03:11 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Douglas Siebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: "Joseph T. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
:>First, most organizations should never have been running consumer
:>versions of Windows in the first place. They were not intended for
:>business use. If a business user must run some version of Windows it
:>should be NT or 2000.
: Why, because Microsoft says so?
Because workers' time is valuable, and frequent crashes are
unacceptable to anyone even remotely interested in productivity.
Business versions of Windows, although still unreliable, are far more
reliable than consumer versions.
: Windows 95 cost less, had smaller RAM
: requirements, and ran on a much wider variety of hardware than Windows
: NT. As it was big organizations had to spend a lot to upgrade hardware
: when moving from Windows 3.1 to Windows 95, because it required more
: CPU and more RAM. It would have cost a hell of a lot more, not to
: mention all the extra costs for licensing.
The productivity of knowledge workers was - and still is - hindered by
the poor performance and reliability of most desktop PCs.
The cost of the lost productivity over even as little as a single year
was, in every instance I've EVER been able to measure, at least one
order of magnitude greater than the cost of a Windows NT license plus
new but not bleeding-edge hardware.
Today Linux or FreeBSD make a far better desktop environment than
NT/2000, now that the critical applications every business needs
(including office suites and Java/JavaScript capable browsers for
corporate Intranet applications).
: Yes, NT is more "manageable"
: but when things inevitably got screwed up it was easier and cheaper to
: just send out an intern with a golden image CD and reinstall regardless
: of which OS is installed.
Easier for the intern maybe.
Users generally aren't terribly productive for the days and weeks that
it typically takes for them to restore their configuration and work
environment, reinstall software, restore files (if anyone was backing
them up - and you'd be amazed how many companies, even among the very
largest, never bother backing up individual users' local data
directories or encourage them to use backed-up network drives).
NT, properly locked down, is considerably more resilient to the kinds
of things that tend to foobar Win9x.
And Linux and FreeBSD, properly administered, are virtually immune.
: Even today, I'm sure a majority of corporate desktops are Windows 95 or
: 98. Windows 2000 is certainly a big improvement, but given all the Y2K
: issues no one was going to upgrade to it, and by the time they got
: around to thinking about it, XP was just around the corner. And since
: it'll be for consumer use as well, the problem of missing drivers will
: finally be fixed (there are still some things that only have Win9x
: drivers)
Microsoft seems intent upon killing XP before it's even born. Why? I
have no idea. But I frankly think it may be the best thing ever to
happen to Linux and other free software.
Joe
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From: Karel Jansens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Basement Boy: Aka Aaron Koookis
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 23:52:26 +0000
Chad Everett wrote:
>
> On Thu, 12 Apr 2001 12:06:43 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Karel Jansens wrote:
> >>
> >> Chad Everett wrote:
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, 11 Apr 2001 16:52:03 -0400, Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> > >Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >> Given access to the source code, which is a given, you need only change
> >> > >> a few lines of code and recompile. I don't understand why even the
> >> > >> UNIX guys are having trouble with this concept.
> >> > >
> >> > >Yes, but that's Mozilla, I'm talkin' Netscape 4.76, and there is no
> >> > >source code for that branch. Mozilla is not Netscape; it is a totally
> >> > >re-vamped open source version of Netscape. Netscape 4.76 is
> >> > >closed-source.
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > OK...you're correct that it would be very hard to get the source code for
> >> > netscape 4.6 or 4.7x.
> >> >
> >> > but the POINT is that it is very easy to modify a different newsreader (slrn,
> >> > mozilla, etc) and make headers look EXACTLY like those generated by netscape 4.6
> >> > or 4.7x
> >>
> >> I can only follow part of this thread (Aaron Kulkis is in my killfile),
> >> but I have to ask anyway: What could _possibly_ be the point of
> >> maskerading a newsreader to make it pretend it is another newsreader??
> >
> >Keeps me from being targeted by virus freaks.
> >
>
> You can't name one way it actually accomplishes this.
>
I would be interested in an answer to that as well. Is there _any_ virus
out there stupid enough to search for Netscape's headers in order to
target its potential victims?
And if so, what's it called?
--
Regards,
Karel Jansens
==============================================================
"You're the weakest link. Goodb-No, wait! Stop! Noaaarrghh!!!"
==============================================================
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 22:12:57 GMT
In alt.destroy.microsoft, T. Max Devlin
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Thu, 12 Apr 2001 19:09:44 GMT
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Said . in alt.destroy.microsoft on Thu, 12 Apr 2001 11:15:52 +1200;
>>> > What systems came with this? It's funny, but I can't get it on 98 (no
>>help
>>> > command... I might check the oldmsdos directory...)
>>>
>>> I just made it up a typical statement that illustrates the utter
>>> uselessness of Mafia$oft's Windows help.
>>>
>>> The fact that you thought it was genuine proves my point about
>>> the utter lack of information in Windows Help.
>>
>>Unfortunately, it just shows that I'm willing to believe it's possible.
>>The fact that I couldn't find it prompted me to ask... shit like
>>this gets mentioned a lot, but I don't believe it until I've verified
>>it myself.
>
>From the Windows95 help system:
>
>"Using Calculator to make calculations
>
>You can use Calculator in standard view to do simple calculations, or
>use it in scientific view to do advanced scientific and statistical
>calculations."
>
>And that isn't the best example I've seen, that's just the first one
>that I found (took all of 4 seconds).
Wow! Such expert advice!
I wonder if this will help with the user experiencing the
3.11 - 3.10 = 0.00 problem (yeah, I know that's been fixed,
but that's the one I can think of at the moment :-) )?
[.sigsnip]
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
EAC code #191 6d:20h:03m actually running Linux.
This is not a .sig.
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 22:16:40 GMT
Anonymous wrote:
>
> if microsoft were really a monopoly linux would not exist.
Faulty premise. Whether Microsoft is a monopoly or not doesn't
matter as far as Linux (and the Free and Open BSDs) are concerned.
They're past the point where support or cooperation from a company
matters. Both OS's have the numbers and intelligence to support
them. They also have a fairly thorough coverage of the world
in the high-bandwidth connections required to distribute the
software even if Red Hat et al. did not exist.
The only connections between Microsoft and Linux are that many
Linux people (including me) would like to see Bill get slapped
in the wallet, and that Linux siphons some small (yet significant,
to that greedy, arrogant bastard, Bill Gates) amount of profits
from the Microsoft Marketing and Money Machine.
> translation: linux cannot win in the free market so i am hoping the
> jackbooted thugs will destroy the winner making way for the losers ie
> linux headcases
Your act is beginning to get lame. That is, too far removed from
reality.
You're tokin' laughing gas now. Pfffffft. Toke on that!
Chris
--
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Hit OK to terminate, or Cancel to debug it.
Doh!
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Linux on Compaq...coming this Summer.
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 22:17:49 GMT
Anonymous wrote:
>
> however all things considered i consider windows to be a real bargain.
Which version is the bargain?
--
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Doh!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett)
Crossposted-To: comp.theory,comp.arch,comp.object
Subject: Re: Blame it all on Microsoft
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 12 Apr 2001 17:09:51 -0500
On Thu, 12 Apr 2001 15:23:02 -0600, Jerry Coffin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>says...
>
>[ ... ]
>
>> Yes, and you can construct bad trees that require exponential time to
>> search -- in reality it rarely happens [/me sticks his neck out on
>> that assertation].
>
>You're not really sticking it out very far -- testing with
>generational scavengers seems to agree quite closely.
>
>> If you view a program as a tree of objects,
>> stemming from the root object, you would end up with a tree and not a
>> list, albeit with circular references.
>
>Which is to say that it's a graph, not a tree. A tree would be an
>acyclic graph, where this is a more general graph that may contain
>cycles.
A tree is an acyclic, connected graph, not just acyclic.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Goldhammer)
Crossposted-To: comp.theory,comp.arch,comp.object
Subject: Re: Blame it all on Microsoft
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 22:24:14 GMT
On Thu, 12 Apr 2001 08:03:04 -0400, mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Jonas wrote:
>> MS Office offer alot that no one else offer. The overall interaction between
>> Microsoft products is the strenght of the company.
>
>Name one feature in MS Office that isn't offered in Star Office or Applix.
Clippy ?
--
Don't think you are. Know you are.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Undeniable proof that Aaron R. Kulkis is a hypocrite, and a
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 18:25:08 -0400
The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Aaron R. Kulkis
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
> on Wed, 11 Apr 2001 13:59:21 -0400
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >WesTralia wrote:
> >>
> >> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> >> >
> >>
> >> > One which has the full overhead of a function call, including
> >> > the overhead of pushing the CPU state onto the stack, and
> >> > recovering it at the end.
> >> >
> >>
> >> "pushing the CPU state onto the stack"
> >>
> >> OK genius, explain what you mean!
> >
> >
> >Pushing all data registers, pointers, and the program counter
> >onto the stack.
> >
> >What did YOU think it means?
>
> Pointers? What pointers?
Stack pointer
Frame pointer
Heap Pointer.
Data Segment pointer
Text Segment Pointer
etc. etc.
MORON.
>
> That's tangential to storing the state of the micro during a context
> switch or function call for later restore. A pointer is merely a
> novel method of interpreting a number within a general register or
> memory location as a memory address. (For that matter, a number is
> merely a novel method of interpreting the bits within a general
> register or memory address, and the bits within a general register
> are a novel method of interpreting logic voltages, which are merely
> novel methods of interpreting largish collections of electrons [*]:
> 1 pF = about 6,250,000 electrons per volt.)
>
> Of course, one of the pieces of CPU state is the program counter.... :-)
>
> OK, so I quibble.
You also just demonstrated that you don't know fuck about CPUs
>
> Note also that a smart compiler won't push all registers onto the stack;
Depends on the CPU. Some CPU's don't give you any choice. Some do.
> it would be kind of silly for a function such as:
>
> foobar:
> MOV 4(SP),R0 ; argument 1
> ADD 8(SP),R0 ; argument 2
> RET
>
> assuming the micro has registers R0 through Rn, where R0 is used
> to return values, a fairly typical backwards stack frame (push
> = decrement then shove), and a 4-byte PC.
>
> An even smarter compiler, of course, could inline the
> function and perform constant folding, translating
>
> A = foobar(1+2)
>
> to
>
> MOV #3,R5
>
> assuming A was being held in R5 in that section of code (another
> optimization of course is that a value needn't be stored immediately
> into memory; modern compilers don't really need 'register' anymore :-)).
>
> >
> >
> >> OUTED! LOL!
> >
> >Yes...I admit that I have a first-rate university-level education in
> >computer systems engineering.
>
> [.sigsnip]
>
> [*] very old memories used small ferrule cores (hence the
> term "core dump"). However, most modern computers, and
> all consumer-grade PCs, use dynamically-refreshed memory
> for the bulk of their RAM storage needs (there is some cache
> which is most likely SRAM in various spots). I don't know
> how many pF each transistor has sitting on its gate, though.
> I do remember that the leakage is such that they have to be
> refreshed every 2 ms or so...at least, as of 10 years ago.
> (Not as painful as it sounds, as DRAM is actually a two-
> dimensional array, with RAS and CAS strobes; to refresh,
> one throws an address onto CAS -- or was it RAS? -- and pulls it
> down for a short interval. A 64Mb would be, internally, 8192 x 8192,
> and a refresh cycle (one row) would have to be done about
> every 250 ns -- assuming the leakage hasn't changed; for all I
> know the transistors might be able to hold their charge for 20ms now.)
>
> There are also several formats for a "number"; the two most obvious
> ones are the typical two's-complement specified integer and
> the IEEE-compliant float or double, and the infamous
> big vs. little-endian debate.
>
> --
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
> EAC code #191 6d:17h:02m actually running Linux.
> Are you still here?
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Joseph T. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised
Date: 12 Apr 2001 22:35:59 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Fred K Ollinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: What is class warfare? Why is it bad if your side is winning?
I don't need for other people or other classes to do poorly for me and
my class to do well. I have no need or desire to steal from them, nor
any tolerance for those who would steal from me. And I wish no harm
to any of the others, provided that they don't try to harm me. There
is no reason why we can't all live at peace, and prosper to the extent
that our ambitions and abilities permit. The economy is not a zero-
or negative-sum game. It's a positive-sum game. Your prosperity,
provided that it did not come from stealing from me, does not harm me
in any way. Indeed, it is quite likely that by increasing the size of
the markets for whatever goods or services I produce, as well as the
supply of goods or products I may want to purchase or use, your
increased prosperity helps me, albeit indirectly.
By the way I've occupied all three classes at varying times in my
life. I'm upper-middle-class now, as are most IT professionals. I
don't have a huge investment portfolio (and didn't lose my shirt in
2000 like many of those who did) and I don't own my own home, although
I easily could if it made sense for me to do so. But I've been
starving and penniless. I was on welfare for a very brief period of
time when I was younger (something I am NOT proud of and wouldn't have
done had I known then what I do now). But unlike quite a few other
younger folks I took the first job I could find, and worked my way up
more or less continuously, through several recessions, to the place I
am now.
I have a great deal of sympathy, and offer a great deal of assistance,
to those who through no fault of their own are having trouble getting
started, or have been devastated by some sudden and unavoidable
expense or trauma such as the death of a loved one or a huge medical
bill or a child with severe disabilities that needs 24/7 care. I and
others I care about have been in these situations.
But the way to tap into my generosity is to ask, not to demand that
the government steal from me at gunpoint to fund programs whose actual
purpose is not to help, but to create dependency on those programs.
Joe
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.theory,comp.arch,comp.object
Subject: Re: Blame it all on Microsoft
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 18:27:59 -0400
"Joseph T. Adams" wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : "Joseph T. Adams" wrote:
> :>
> :> In comp.os.linux.advocacy MH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> :>
> :> : Define 'everyone'. Many organizations have not upgraded beyond windows 95 or
> :> : 98.
> :>
> :> First, most organizations should never have been running consumer
> :> versions of Windows in the first place. They were not intended for
> :> business use. If a business user must run some version of Windows it
> :> should be NT or 2000.
>
> : Translation: The managers who got Windows installed on the desktops
> : in most businesses, are, by definition, incompetant.
>
> What's worse - MUCH worse - is the ones who got Windows (including NT)
> deployed as *servers*.
>
> That goes several steps beyond incompetence.
criminal negligence.
>
> The failure of a single desktop machine negates the productivity only
> of the single individual using it. The failure of a server machine -
> even if it's only very brief - can negate the productivity of dozens
> if not hundreds of users.
>
> Joe
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Joseph T. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles
Subject: Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism)
Date: 12 Apr 2001 22:37:54 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Uncle Davey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: "Joseph T. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
: news:9b3td9$mhj$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
:> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Russianbear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
: wrote:
:>
:> : Bah - If there is a God he is no better than a common dictator and there
: is
:> : NO reason at all to worship him. Anyone who says live by my rules or be
:> : punished with death or eternal damnation is an asshole.
:>
:>
:> First of all, God has only two main rules, according to Jesus. First
:> is to love Him. Second is to love your neighbor.
:>
:> I don't think those are unreasonable requests.
:>
:>
: So it's okay to have sex as long as you love God and love the person you're
: having sex with.
If you love her, why not marry her?
Joe
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From: "Joseph T. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles
Subject: Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism)
Date: 12 Apr 2001 22:39:58 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy chrisv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: "Joseph T. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:>First of all, God has only two main rules, according to Jesus. First
:>is to love Him. Second is to love your neighbor.
:>
:>I don't think those are unreasonable requests.
: My neighbor is a jerk.
Then you have an opportunity to show genuine, unconditional love.
Honestly, folks, that is a big part of what life is about. More so, I
think, than Microsoft, Linux, the army, or singleness.
(Note: you don't have to *like* someone to show them kindness and
love.)
Joe
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Linux on Compaq...coming this Summer.
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 18:32:34 -0400
Anonymous wrote:
>
> t. max dumbass:
> > Said Anonymous in alt.destroy.microsoft on Mon, 9 Apr 2001 17:03:22
> > >GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >> Joseph Ogiba wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > This is the biggest bullshit story I ever heard. There is no demand from the
> > >> > public for a PC with Linux instead of Windows.You Linux diehards have a bug
> > >> > up your ass the size of Texas over the word MICROSOFT. If there was a demand
> > >> > Larry Ellison would start a company selling PC's with your "FREE" OS.Your
> > >> > just pissed because YOU paid $320.00 for one share of VA Linux and watched
> > >> > it drop to $3.00 today. Linux is DEAD as a consumer OS and Windows XP is the
> > >> > nail in the coffin.
> > >>
> > >> No different than you WinTroll diehards. When the great fanfare of the
> > >> rollout of WindowsXp arrives into town like a cheap carnival will we
> > >> know for sure if it really is all that it can be.
> > >
> > >i'm no more loyal to microsoft than i am to any other business. [...]
> >
> > Do you always defend a company's right to rip off their customers,
>
> i defend a company's right to sell products on whatever terms they can
> negotiate with vendors and consumers. if i as a consumer dislike those
> terms i can take my business elsewhere.
> however all things considered i consider windows to be a real bargain.
^^^^^^^^^^^^
you misspelled "liability"
>
> > then,
> > and break the law?
>
> the law, dear sir, is a beast.
> jackie 'anakin' tokeman
>
> men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth - more than ruin,
> more even than death
> - bertrand russell
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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