Linux-Advocacy Digest #246, Volume #31 Thu, 4 Jan 01 19:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: Linux, it is great. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Uptimes (Craig Kelley)
Re: Does Linux envy Microsoft? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Does Linux envy Microsoft? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Why NT? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Would Linux be invented if? (Form@C)
Re: Microsoft hurts the reputation of software engineers. (Glitch)
Re: Why Hatred? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Does Linux envy Microsoft? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Trouble logging in (Glitch)
Re: Does Linux envy Microsoft? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Big government and big business: why not fear both - www.ezboard.com ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: Linux can be made unstable, too. (Donn Miller)
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux, it is great.
Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 18:29:37 -0500
J Sloan wrote:
>
> Todd wrote:
>
> > Linux has been getting a *ton* of media coverage - mostly positive. MS
> > seems to be getting kicked around by everybody these days. Seems Joe 6 pack
> > would pick Linux.
>
> Your savvy red herring reader has heard of Red Hat,
> but nope, Joe 6 pack has never heard of Linux...
>
> > Then you have very special needs indeed !
>
> Very ordinary really - I use the web, read/write emails,
> play games, do programming and system admintration
> work - Linux is the perfect environment for these sorts
> of things. (unless you need games which only run on
> windows platforms, but I'm already got way too many
> games)
>
> > > I beg to differ - I find most modern Linux distros far less
> > > frustrating to install than windows in any form.
> >
> > I assume you mean when the hardware is fully compatible?
>
> "fully compatible", meaning fair quality, standard hardware
>
> > In other cases, Linux is a nightmare.
>
> dunno, haven't seen that myself - and I've installed Linux
> on probably 100 different systems over the years.
>
> > > You could have gotten it for about $5 from cheapbytes -
> >
> > Most retail stores that I visit (I live in Singapore) only have RedHat... a
> > few have others - most are above US$50 dollars.
>
> You can order cheap CDs online -
>
> > > and there are cheaper official versions as well.
> >
> > True - but most users would never be able to install it.
>
> Why? Install procedure is the same;
>
> Insert the CD, boot and install.
>
> > Most people *work* for a living - if there is no money in it, you won't find
> > much development for the platform.
>
> So, you suppose the engineers at IBM, Compaq, VA Research,
> SGI, SuSE, NASA etc are all working on Linux for free?
>
> > That's just another reason so many 3rd parties ignore Linux and stick with
> > Windows.
>
> hmm, you have no sense of the trends.
>
> That's how it has traditionally been - and helped reinforce
> the windoze monopoly. But if you haven't yet noticed, you
> might eventually notice that this is changing.
>
> >
> >
> > > > Anyway, given the cost of Linux, it is an impressive system. However, I
> > > > still feel that Windows 2000 is a technically superior product ( I work
> > with
> > > > many 2000 boxes everyday ).
> > >
> > > I commend you on having the correct attitude for a microsoft employee
> >
> > Again, I'm not an MS employee. Just because I prefer 2000 over Linux does
> > not mean I work for MS.
>
> Are you not Todd Needham?
>
> > I believe the MindCraft benchmark (the one that was officially audited by
> > MS, PCWeek, and RedHat), but those claims to rest. Windows 2000 trouned
> > Linux pretty badly.
>
> You insist on living in the past, don't you? I understand it's
> tempting to just sit back and fantasize about those heady
> days when microsoft proclaimed it's superiority over the
> "upstart" operating system in carefully designed tests.
>
> But why not wake up and look at the present situation?
>
> Linux beats ms on high end web benchmarks.
Not only that, but Linux has been ported to IBM S/390.
When, if ever, will LoseDOS be ported to IBM S/390?
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Uptimes
Date: 04 Jan 2001 16:31:43 -0700
"Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> "Craig Kelley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > "JSPL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > Last I heard CNN had reported that amazon.com was down the day after
> > > Thanksgiving ( and a few other suspicious times of the year) but
> > > microsoft.com or any other huge and popular IIS site has never been
> down.
> >
> > I beg to differ, microsoft.com goes down all the time -- I'll get
> > connection refused on one attempt and then the next attempt goes
> > through. Anyone can throw 60 machines into a connection pool and
> > claim unlimited uptime -- it says nothing about how long each
> > operating system gives out service.
>
> Connection refused by the server? or a timeout? If it's the first, then
> that means the server is running. If it's the second, then it's probably
> dropped packets along the net, something that is very common. It happens to
> me on all kinds of sites, including Slashdot and others.
But it couldn't possibly be that machine #42 just went down, right?
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Does Linux envy Microsoft?
Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 18:33:41 -0500
Jacques Guy wrote:
>
> Perry Pip wrote:
>
> > Heh...talk about corporate shills. Look at their cultural diversity page:
>
> > http://multiculturalism.aynrand.org/
>
> This is great! Especially:
>
> http://multiculturalism.aynrand.org/columbus.html
>
> I particularly liked:
>
> > The inhabitants were primarily hunter-gatherers,
> > wandering across the land, living from hand-to-mouth
> > and from day-to-day.
>
> Wow! just like the peasants in medieval Europe, except
> that they were not allowed to wander about.
>
> > There was virtually no change, no growth for
> > thousands of years. With rare exception, life
> > was nasty, brutish, and short: there was
> > no wheel, no written language
>
> Except for the Aztecs, the Olmecs, the Mayans, and
> the Incas.
Only the VERY privileged, VERY FEW were taught to read and write.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Does Linux envy Microsoft?
Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 18:34:26 -0500
Jacques Guy wrote:
>
> Perry Pip wrote:
>
> > As a doctrine - an "ism" - it is fundamentally
> > an attack on the ideals of Western civilization.
>
> Like "capitalism" and "individualism" eh?
No...he's saying that this "ism" is an attack on Western Civilization.
Not too good in the reading comprehension department, are you?
>
> I thought I'd scraped the bottom of the barrel
> with the scientologists and the rabid creationist
> mobs, but this lot gets the Golden Oscar!
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why NT?
Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 18:36:14 -0500
Donn Miller wrote:
>
> Charlie Ebert wrote:
>
> > Well. If you IT department is staffed with fully licensed morons then
> > Windows would be an excellent choice.
> >
> > Another good reason to use Microshaft servers is if you simply don't
> > give a FUCK about your company.
> >
> > There's little talent required to run LoseDos.
>
> Like I said, there are certain people that fall prey to Microsoft
> marketing. Then, there are people who think NT is so great just because
> its clipboard supports OLE. Well, I contend that OLE is unecessary if
> the program in question were able to export its data to a proper text
> data file (or bitmap file or ...) to begin with.
Yuppers. The clipboard is merely a BAND-AID.
>
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--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
Subject: Re: Would Linux be invented if?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Form@C)
Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 23:36:48 GMT
"Flacco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> > Isn't it funny how all those companies who HAD OBJECTIVES to
>> > conquer Windows failed and the one who was just playing one
>> > year with a kernel with NO AMBITIONS WHAT-SO-EVER will be
>> > the one to topple Microsoft.
>
>Open source. The Linux kernel after a year of development stood
>absolutely zero chance of toppling MS. The fact that it was open source
>and was picked up as a project by countless developers might have had
>something to do with it.
>
>> Thus, QUALITY was the primary goal, instead of marketing.
>>
Actually, I think you will find that Linus' original goal was
*functionality*. Minix was just too far away from a true OS for his
purposes. OSS has given Linux its *quality* attribute.
>> High quality sells itself.
>
>...especially when the price is $0.
>
>> No...its the work of quality.
>
>Agreed. But I must say I wish the Linux community had some of the
>marketing sense that MS has. There should be a Windows Clone
>distribution to allow Windows users to ease into Linux wiht as little
>resistance as possible. The arguments about a given Linux desktop
>environment's superiority over Windows does no good converting Windows
>users. There are many who may be interested in trying something
>different, but not if it takes them 45 minutes to figure out how to
>create the equivalent of a desktop shortcut.
>
I just *knew* that someone else would be able to see this!
--
Mick
Olde Nascom Computers - http://www.mixtel.co.uk
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 18:43:27 -0500
From: Glitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft hurts the reputation of software engineers.
>
> This "reboot your computer to fix a problem" mentality is stupid. We
> have an IT department, smart guys, but been using Microsoft too long.
> Their first response to a problem on Linux was to reboot. Slowly, they
> are coming around because they see that if something doesn't work on
> Linux, it is because of a problem, and rebooting does not make the
> problem go away.
There is mostly one reason for having reboot and it's b/c Windows can't
handle a program crashing. Hell, it can't evne handle itself crashing.
B/c of this a reboot is necessary to fix things. Under Linux we all know
we get the pid of the process and kill and we then start up whatever we
were running and we are back in within a few seconds, even if its X
windows giving us the problem.
I've disconnected from my ISP many times and a while later tried to
reconnect and at the time DUN says I'm logging on to the network Yahoo
Messeng will crash, then Netscape, sometimes explorer.exe will catch the
same cold, and before you know it i have to reboot in order to get rid
of the blue screen that says Windows is waiting for a process to stop
being busy or the one that says the system has become unstable, all b/c
i REDIALED MY ISP.
>
> Is Linux right for the home computer? Maybe not yet. But it is very
> acceptable for the workstation and server market. One could easily
> deploy a full Linux network infrastructure, right to the desktop, in a
> company and improve reliability and reduce costs.
>
> --
> http://www.mohawksoft.com
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Hatred?
Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 18:42:35 -0500
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> "Nick Condon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> >
> > > "Nick Condon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> > > > > If you don't believe it. Name a script in Unix that can't be done
> on
> > > > > Windows.
> > > >
> > > > Let's start with a nice easy one, this script tests whether it is a
> > > background
> > > > or foreground process and mails it's opinion to 'nick' on the current
> > > machine:
> > > >
> > > > #!/bin/sh
> > > > if [ -t STDIN ]
> > > > then
> > > > TYPE=foreground
> > > > else
> > > > TYPE=background
> > > > fi
> > > > echo "I'm a $TYPE process" | mail -s "Script Results" nick
> > >
> > > You are aware that this is a function of the shell, not the OS. Right?
> > >
> > > Bash exists for NT, and you can do virtually the same code with that.
> >
> > I can see 3 seperate reasons why this script will not work on NT-Bash. How
> many
> > can you spot?
>
> None of them are, actually.
Erik, Why don't YOU tell us what they are
>
> > > Or you can use Perl through WSH. I'm sure you're not going to suggest
> that
> > > you can't do this through perl.
> >
> > ditto Perl. And those 3 reasons are characteristics of the OS, not the
> shell.
>
> You are aware that MAPI is an available object in a Windows Scripting Host
> script, right?
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Does Linux envy Microsoft?
Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 18:43:54 -0500
Nick Condon wrote:
>
> Perry Pip wrote:
>
> > And to think they pride themselves in being objective. I can only
> > wonder if Ayn Rand was really such a bigot or whether this is a bunch
> > of people misusing her name.
>
> No, she was a bigot. I knew an Objectivist who insisted I would see the light
> if I read Ayn Rand's stuff, so I tried reading "Atlas Unshrugged". When I
> said she was a selfish bigot he told me I didn't "get" it.
Since when does equality of opportunity and equality before the law
equal bigotry?
>
> Chuck Ayn Rand in the bin, read "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance"
> instead.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 18:50:34 -0500
From: Glitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Trouble logging in
run the 'passwd' command after adding a new user and that will assign
the user whatever password u specify
Hughie wrote:
>
> I create a new user in SuSE and no matter whether I use the -p switch or not
> to create a password, I cannot login using the new username I just added.
>
> What am I doing wrong? Or what am I not doing that I should be doing?
>
> This is what my command looks like:
>
> useradd -c dummy user -p password tjohnson
>
> There is no -r switch in SuSE as there is in, say, RedHat.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Does Linux envy Microsoft?
Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 18:44:37 -0500
Nick Condon wrote:
>
> Todd wrote:
>
> > > Bullshit. It's because they fucking broke the law.
> >
> > Nope... appeals *will* overturn the verdict. MS did not break the law.
>
> The Findings of Fact and the Findings of Law will stand, whatever the outcome
> of the appeal, whatever happens in sentencing, whatever else happens the legal
> record says, for now and forever: "Microsoft broke the fucking law" (or words
> to that effect)
Not only that, but Microsoft is *NOT* appealing the verdict, merely the sentance.
This is an all out admission that the charges were true.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.fan.bill-gates,alt.destroy.microsoft,alt.microsoft.sucks
Subject: Re: Big government and big business: why not fear both - www.ezboard.com
Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 18:45:30 -0500
David Brown wrote:
>
> Ayende Rahien wrote in message <92v6t2$gbt$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> >
> >>
> >> They are responsible for cheapening computer hardware
> >> in the form of Win products which are inferior to
> >> regular products as they rely on YOUR CPU power to
> >> power the peripheral!
> >
> >They do the same thing, right?
>
> Nop - they seldom work as quickly, and never as reliably, especially when
> you are using the CPU power for other purposes (e.g., playing a game over
> the internet).
>
> >They cost *much* less.
>
> Peripherals like winmodems cost no more than a few dollars less than real
> modems - and that is the end-user price, not the manufacturers price.
>
> >The customer can easily find out why the price differ so much.
>
> No they can't - most users don't know if their modem is real or not.
That's because they didn't bother to find out.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux can be made unstable, too.
Date: 4 Jan 2001 17:41:19 -0600
Aaron Ginn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've had two instances in the 2 years I've been running Linux where X
> has locked up my box so hard I had to hit the reset buttons. The
> first time was about a year ago when I was trying to run a crappy kids
> game under Wine. The second was recently when I was editing the
> konqueror bookmark properties under KDE2. Both times,
> Ctrl-Alt-Backspace and the Ctrl-Alt-F[0-9] keys were completely
> unresponsive. I don't have any kind of network, so telnet was not an
> option. The reset button was the only way to get out of it.
Actually, the last crash ocurred for me under FreeBSD, not Linux. But, I had
the exact symptoms you decribe. It's interesting how two completely
different OSes (FreeBSD and Linux) behave the sameexact way under XFree86.
XFree must have some glitches which violate video HW integrity under certain
circumstances. Plus, remember I was banging on some svgalib apps pretty
hard while X was running. That'll do it, too. Svgalib was ported to FreeBSD
about 2-3 months ago. Lucky us. We didn't know the fun we were missing. 8-)
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