Linux-Advocacy Digest #557, Volume #26 Wed, 17 May 00 10:13:07 EDT
Contents:
Re: Familiarity of Windows for Linux! (Lee Sau Dan)
Re: Beowulf (DeAnn Iwan)
Re: progamming models, unix vs Windows (Gary Hallock)
Re: Haakmat digest, volume 2451682 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux lacks ("ax")
Re: Closed-mindedness and zeal... (was Re: Things Linux can't do!) (Sam)
Re: Beowulf (mlw)
Re: Ten Reasons Why Syphon Sucks (mlw)
Re: German Govt says Microsoft a security risk (Christopher Browne)
Re: Challenged Todd Returns (Was: Here is the solution (Donal K. Fellows)
Re: You're doin it all wrong..(was you people are full of doo doo) (John Jensen)
Re: I have 4's and 5's in a Bind. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Why only Microsoft should be allowed to create software (Illya Vaes)
Re: German Govt says Microsoft a security risk (John Hasler)
Re: Here is the solution (Donal K. Fellows)
Re: Here is the solution (Donal K. Fellows)
Re: Haakmat digest, volume 2451682 (Pascal Haakmat)
Re: I have 4's and 5's in a Bind. (Matt)
Re: Linux lacks ("Evan DiBiase")
Re: Linux lacks ("Evan DiBiase")
Re: Here is the solution ("David D. Huff Jr.")
Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux ("Selious")
Re: Why only Microsoft should be allowed to create software (Illya Vaes)
Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux (Mongoose)
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From: Lee Sau Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Familiarity of Windows for Linux!
Date: 17 May 2000 20:07:34 +0800
>>>>> "Chris" == Chris Aakre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Chris> We need to bring the familiarity of windows to
Chris> linux... lets have a daemon that automatically crashes
Chris> linux every 10-15 minutes!! Then it will be more familiar
Chris> for all you ex-windowers, so you won't get scared when you
Chris> linux box stays online for weeks, even months! I'm sure
Chris> this will go along well with all you ex-microsoft
Grab the bluescreen (I did this with VMWare) or make up your own one.
Then use 'xlock -mode image' to do it. Isn't that blue screen a
screensaver (screen killer, indeed)?
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From: DeAnn Iwan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Beowulf
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 08:15:45 -0400
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mlw wrote:
> =
> I have convinced the people, with which I currently work, to setup a
> Beowulf cluster.
> =
> 20 Nodes, 512M Ram, 2 36G hard disks, 24 port switch.
> =
> We are going to use it to research cluster management packages under
> Linux/Freebsd.
> =
> The question I have for you guys:
> =
> Any good benchmarks programs to try?
> Any good cluster management apps?
> Any good reason to choose PVM over MPI? (I am leaning toward MPI.)
> Any fun things, as in, stupid beowulf tricks, I should try?
> =
Whether PVM or MPI is "better" depends largely on the kind of
cluster you are setting up. Here is my summary of the major advantages
of each.
Advantages of PVM (Parallel Virtual Machine).
* allows each user to specify a virtual machine from the nodes running
pvm
* dynamic allocation of nodes (adjusts to host or task failures and to
changing loads on nodes)
supports Fortran, C and C++ modules interchangeably
monitoring software (xpvm) available
* supports heterogeneous systems and variable latency (including
internet latencies)
Advantages of MPI (Message Passing Interface) =
*can offer better performance on tightly coupled homogeneous clusters
* lower overhead for message transport (can tune a locally located
cluster for higher real bandwidth) =
* accepted standard
PVM is the one I have used since it is easy to add PVM to any cluster
of Linux/Unix machines (heterogeneous hardware is well supported as it
is the "expected" mode).
Note, if your 24 port switch is 100 MB/s ethernet, I recommend PVM since
I doubt you will ever see the advantages of the lower message overhead
in MPI (but I only dink with this a little, I am not an "expert"). PVM
would allow the flexibility for adding other networked workstations,
clusters, etc to a user's virtual machine (but I am not sure that MPI
would not do this as I have not set up an MPI machine).
Places to get info on PVM:
www.beowulf.org
Extreme Linux (Red Hat package, $30)
www.netlib.org/pvm3/book/pvm-book.html (=93PVM: Parallel Virtual Machine,=
A User=92s Guide and Tutorial for Networked Parallel Computing=94)
comp.parallel.pvm
A number of people have posted programs on the web for PVM (sorry, I
don't have the URLs handy)...presumably the same is true of MPI.
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Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 08:20:25 -0400
From: Gary Hallock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: progamming models, unix vs Windows
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> b) Instant error feedback. The mount point exists whether or not the
> device is mounted. If you forget to mount the device, you copy files to
> some directory, because the system is too stupid to know that you
> wanted to copy to a device, not a directory.
>
Not on my system:
ls /mnt/cdrom
ls: /mnt/cdrom: No such file or directory
Insert CD
ls /mnt/cdrom
COPYING RPM-PGP-KEY TRANS.TBL doc images rr_moved
README RedHat boot.cat dosutils misc
Gary
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Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Haakmat digest, volume 2451682
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 12:26:35 GMT
Today's Haakmat digest:
1> I'm sorry, what was your question again?
I asked you to justify your use of "again", Pascal.
1> Oh christ Dave, why don't you just admit that you forgot to digest
1> me and we can forget about it.
Why should I admit to something that isn't true, Pascal?
1> It's not like you forgot our wedding anniversary or something.
What alleged "wedding anniversary", Pascal?
1> It's a little thing.
A little thing that isn't true, Pascal.
1> Not in the privacy of my own room it isn't!
Irrelevant, given that this newsgroup is not the privacy of your own
room, Pascal.
1> The basis is irrelevant, Dave.
On the contrary, the basis for your claim is quite relevant, Pascal.
1> I wish you would learn to comprehend that.
You're erroneously presupposing that the basis for your claim is
irrelevant, Pascal.
1> I'm afraid I'm going to have to discipline you -- again.
When did you discipline me previously, Pascal?
1> Don't ask so many questions.
On what basis do you say that I'm asking "so many" questions, Pascal?
1> How could they be?
You disappeared again, despite saying that you wouldn't, Pascal.
1> All these tokens of affection clearly suggest you're mad about me.
What alleged "tokens of affection", Pascal?
1> Thanks Dave.
For what, Pascal?
1> Hahaha! You're so funny, Dave.
I see that you didn't start now. No surprise there.
1> The conflicting emotions might make them behave in strange ways.
That they behave in strange ways is already obvious, Pascal.
1> We all know that, don't we?
Who are you including when you say "we all", Pascal?
1> I beg your pardon?
You're the one who jumped to conclusions, Pascal.
1> Aren't you sure, Dave?
I'm not the one who wrote "if", Pascal; you did.
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From: "ax" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux lacks
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 12:28:19 GMT
"Bobby D. Bryant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> ax wrote:
>
> > Linux will be broken up by its own power fragmentation.
>
> Pray tell, what is "power fragmentation".
>
I suppose everyone following this group knows the meaning
of Linux (Linus') "fragmentation".
>
> > > Linux will never go bankrupt.
> >
> > But companies can.
> > Some Linux companies already go close to broke.
>
> And what does that have to do with the topic under discussion?
Isn't that obvious?
>
> > > Linux will never cause the people to mistrust them.
> >
> > Never? The trust comes from users' own experience
> > and expectations.
>
> Which is why he made the claim.
Did he? He said "people" instead of himself. Or may be
he meant "People who never had headache with Linux".
>
> > > How are we ever going to get ahead of that huge penguin over there!
> > > Every step he takes is shaking the ground!
> >
> > Those lazy sitting penguins cannot move a "step" with fat belly.
>
> I guess you've never seen them gliding across the ice at high speed.
You missed the word "sitting".
> Bobby Bryant
> Austin, Texas
>
>
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From: Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Closed-mindedness and zeal... (was Re: Things Linux can't do!)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 22:26:27 +1000
On 16 May 2000 03:41:46 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (abraxas) wrote:
>In comp.os.linux.advocacy Stephen S. Edwards II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>*snip a rational, well placed expository*
>
>> People like Charlie, and abraxas have stated that they believe themselves
>> to be more intelligent simply because they are Linux users.
>
>I never stated that.
>
>Let me be very clear:
>
>I am more intelligent than a potential linux user who throws their hands
>up in disgust the moment linux becomes 'difficult'.
Sometimes it is best not to waste time on something you do not need.
>Linux is not difficult. Linux is easy.
What do you mean by 'Linux' ? Do you mean installing, administering,
managing files, or just clicking on an app to make it run ? The skill
level goes from minor to enormous.
>The problem comes with individuals
>approaching it in the same way that they approach windows--whether or not
>windows is inferior, it is an entirely different beast, and the
>intelligent person treats it accordingly.
Depends what you are trying to do, The average person at home wants to
access the net, email, and run a few consumer apps and games.
Windows is the best for them and it has a growth path all the way to
professional level.
An intelligent person does not use a sledge hammer where a normal
hammer will do. What possible reason would there be for the average
user to use Linux, Crasy !!.
The only viable option to windows is an iMac.
Sam
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Beowulf
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 08:37:54 -0400
DeAnn Iwan wrote:
>
> mlw wrote:
> >
> > I have convinced the people, with which I currently work, to setup a
> > Beowulf cluster.
> >
> > 20 Nodes, 512M Ram, 2 36G hard disks, 24 port switch.
> >
> > We are going to use it to research cluster management packages under
> > Linux/Freebsd.
> >
> > The question I have for you guys:
> >
> > Any good benchmarks programs to try?
> > Any good cluster management apps?
> > Any good reason to choose PVM over MPI? (I am leaning toward MPI.)
> > Any fun things, as in, stupid beowulf tricks, I should try?
> >
>
> Whether PVM or MPI is "better" depends largely on the kind of
> cluster you are setting up. Here is my summary of the major advantages
> of each.
>
> Advantages of PVM (Parallel Virtual Machine).
> * allows each user to specify a virtual machine from the nodes running
> pvm
I'm not sure what you mean by this.
> * dynamic allocation of nodes (adjusts to host or task failures and to
> changing loads on nodes)
I thought MPI did this too.
> supports Fortran, C and C++ modules interchangeably
So does MPI
> monitoring software (xpvm) available
xmpi is available.
> * supports heterogeneous systems and variable latency (including
> internet latencies)
Have a web page where I can read about this?
>
> Advantages of MPI (Message Passing Interface)
> *can offer better performance on tightly coupled homogeneous clusters
> * lower overhead for message transport (can tune a locally located
> cluster for higher real bandwidth)
> * accepted standard
>
> PVM is the one I have used since it is easy to add PVM to any cluster
> of Linux/Unix machines (heterogeneous hardware is well supported as it
> is the "expected" mode).
> Note, if your 24 port switch is 100 MB/s ethernet, I recommend PVM since
> I doubt you will ever see the advantages of the lower message overhead
> in MPI (but I only dink with this a little, I am not an "expert"). PVM
> would allow the flexibility for adding other networked workstations,
> clusters, etc to a user's virtual machine (but I am not sure that MPI
> would not do this as I have not set up an MPI machine).
>
> Places to get info on PVM:
>
> www.beowulf.org
> Extreme Linux (Red Hat package, $30)
> www.netlib.org/pvm3/book/pvm-book.html (?PVM: Parallel Virtual Machine,
> A User?s Guide and Tutorial for Networked Parallel Computing?)
> comp.parallel.pvm
>
> A number of people have posted programs on the web for PVM (sorry, I
> don't have the URLs handy)...presumably the same is true of MPI.
--
Mohawk Software
Windows 9x, Windows NT, UNIX, Linux. Applications, drivers, support.
Visit http://www.mohawksoft.com
"We've got a blind date with destiny, and it looks like she ordered the
lobster"
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Ten Reasons Why Syphon Sucks
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 08:43:43 -0400
Raul Valero wrote:
>
> > Neither is IE.
>
> Tell its faults assuming it runs under as GNU/Linux stable OS, like
> Windows NT or Windows 2000. Do not say underlaying system faults
> are IE faults and tell us several of them. I am not advocating Microsoft,
> just haven't found a better browser than IE.
But M$ claims that IE is part of the OS, as such, faults in IE must be
faults in the OS, according to M$. If, however, you insist that IE
faults are not OS faults because IE is not part of the OS, then you
should be mad as hell at M$ because you know M$ is lying to you, the
government, the courts, and the American people, and you should boycott
M$ out of principle. (Unless of course you have no sense of honor and/or
patriotism)
--
Mohawk Software
Windows 9x, Windows NT, UNIX, Linux. Applications, drivers, support.
Visit http://www.mohawksoft.com
"We've got a blind date with destiny, and it looks like she ordered the
lobster"
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: German Govt says Microsoft a security risk
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 12:55:31 GMT
Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when Gunter Bengel would say:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (s. keeling) writes:
>> Bull. The Nazi party is outlawed in Germany, for example.
>> A Nazi party (many, likely) operates freely in the US.
>>
> Horseshit. The Mafia is outlawed in the US of A. So there is
>censoreship?
Obviously there is censorship is _both_ countries.
The USA censors any number of things. The famous "ten words you can't
say on television" aren't a concept that they arrived at in Germany, no?
There are some "nazi" parties in the US; that may be permissible;
I seem to recall it being illegal in some jurisdictions (perhaps
not all states) to have a "Communist" party.
The notion that either country has perfection in this area is just
silly.
--
Babbage's Rule: "No man's cipher is worth looking at unless the
inventor has himself solved a very difficult cipher" (The Codebreakers
by Kahn, 2nd ed, pg 765)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - - <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donal K. Fellows)
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Challenged Todd Returns (Was: Here is the solution
Date: 17 May 2000 12:51:45 GMT
In article <8fte0j$7u9$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Edwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Todd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> You can pose questions to me, if you want to test me :)
> What's the capital of South Dakota?
What is the mean flight speed of an unladen swallow?
Donal.
--
Donal K. Fellows http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~fellowsd/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- I may seem more arrogant, but I think that's just because you didn't
realize how arrogant I was before. :^)
-- Jeffrey Hobbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: John Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: You're doin it all wrong..(was you people are full of doo doo)
Date: 17 May 2000 13:02:41 GMT
Francis Van Aeken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
: John Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
:news:8fpvoh$phj$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
: > It is strange that some of the Linux advocates in this group seem almost
: > ... bitter.
: Ha, ha , ha, that is an understatement! Bitching, bitching, bitching, that's
: all they know! It must be that OS they are using... :-)
I'm using the same OS. I use it at home. It is catching on at work. In
fact, they keep buying me more hardware at work to run things faster.
The OS itself is wall-to-wall good news. Any bitterness must be coming
from somewhere else.
John
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,alt.linux,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: I have 4's and 5's in a Bind.
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 17 May 2000 09:08:54 -0500
On 2000-05-15 [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
>Glad
>it's not just me... I thought I had to many martini's when I read
>that one :)
Don't know about you, but he's either had too much of something or not
enough medication...
Net-Tamer V 1.08X - Test Drive
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From: Illya Vaes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why only Microsoft should be allowed to create software
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 15:18:45 +0200
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>I think it's perfectly legitimate for DOS to have
>undocumented API's if they do nothing but access internal data that 3rd
>party programs should not be accessing.
You mean 3d party programs (to DOS anyway) like Windows???
What the f*ck does Windows have to find in "internal data" unless it's not
really "internal" after all?
Excuses, excuses, excuses...
--
Illya Vaes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) "Do...or do not, there is no 'try'" - Yoda
Holland Railconsult BV, Integral Management of Railprocess Systems
Postbus 2855, 3500 GW Utrecht
Tel +31.30.2653273, Fax 2653385 Not speaking for anyone but myself
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From: John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: German Govt says Microsoft a security risk
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 12:13:06 GMT
Gunter writes:
> The Mafia is outlawed in the US of A.
No organization is outlawed in the USA.
--
John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler)
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donal K. Fellows)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Here is the solution
Date: 17 May 2000 13:19:28 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Joseph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> Define "perfectly well". Can it play Q3? Run Photoshop or The Gimp?
>> Run at 1280x1024x24 bits without slowdown? Network at standard
>> 100baseT? Easily dial via PPP with a normal modem? Include normal 16
>> bit sound?
>
> To me you're describing a game console. Go get a DreamCast or a PSX II
> in the fall - they'll give you more bang for the buck with multimedia -
> if you want to do multimedia authoring get a PPC G4. If you want to
> compute then get a stable OS and quality hardware.
So someone who wants to play games, work with multimedia *and* perform
computation should have three separate systems? Irrespective of the
cost of acquisition or the space occupied? Hmmm....
Donal.
--
Donal K. Fellows http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~fellowsd/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- I may seem more arrogant, but I think that's just because you didn't
realize how arrogant I was before. :^)
-- Jeffrey Hobbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donal K. Fellows)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Here is the solution
Date: 17 May 2000 13:22:51 GMT
In article <_BuU4.69988$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Daniel Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It may surprise you to learn that Windows NT's guts are very similar
> to those of VMS; enough so that Digital took one look at the source
> and sued, or so I hear. :D
Not quite. MS hired key VMS people to work on NT (Cutler et al) so
the similarity of their cores is not surprising, though there are
differences (e.g. my spies report that VMS is easier to tune.)
Donal.
--
Donal K. Fellows http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~fellowsd/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- I may seem more arrogant, but I think that's just because you didn't
realize how arrogant I was before. :^)
-- Jeffrey Hobbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pascal Haakmat)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Haakmat digest, volume 2451682
Date: 17 May 2000 13:35:32 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> I'm sorry, what was your question again?
>
>I asked you to justify your use of "again", Pascal.
I already did that, Dave. I won't do it again.
>> Oh christ Dave, why don't you just admit that you forgot to digest
>> me and we can forget about it.
>
>Why should I admit to something that isn't true, Pascal?
Why should you indeed.
>> It's not like you forgot our wedding anniversary or something.
>
>What alleged "wedding anniversary", Pascal?
I'm sorry, I'm afraid I confused you with someone else. Please don't be mad.
>> It's a little thing.
>
>A little thing that isn't true, Pascal.
Sweet liar of mine.
>> Not in the privacy of my own room it isn't!
>
>Irrelevant, given that this newsgroup is not the privacy of your own
>room, Pascal.
I beg to differ, daffodil of mine.
>> The basis is irrelevant, Dave.
>
>On the contrary, the basis for your claim is quite relevant, Pascal.
What claim?
>> I wish you would learn to comprehend that.
>
>You're erroneously presupposing that the basis for your claim is
>irrelevant, Pascal.
What claim?
>> I'm afraid I'm going to have to discipline you -- again.
>
>When did you discipline me previously, Pascal?
Don't you know, Dave?
>> Don't ask so many questions.
>
>On what basis do you say that I'm asking "so many" questions, Pascal?
I'm not going to tell you until you admit you forgot to digest me. That is
how I am disciplining you.
>> How could they be?
>
>You disappeared again, despite saying that you wouldn't, Pascal.
"again", Dave?
>> All these tokens of affection clearly suggest you're mad about me.
>
>What alleged "tokens of affection", Pascal?
All of them.
>> Thanks Dave.
>
>For what, Pascal?
Don't you remember?
>> Hahaha! You're so funny, Dave.
>
>I see that you didn't start now.
Did I ever stop loving you?
>No surprise there.
Are you saying I am predictable?
>> The conflicting emotions might make them behave in strange ways.
>
>That they behave in strange ways is already obvious, Pascal.
Love can do that to a person, Dave.
>> We all know that, don't we?
>
>Who are you including when you say "we all", Pascal?
Perhaps.
>> I beg your pardon?
>
>You're the one who jumped to conclusions, Pascal.
Perhaps.
>> Aren't you sure, Dave?
>
>I'm not the one who wrote "if", Pascal; you did.
Perhaps.
--
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ancient and recent, transient and perdurable CSMA inhabitants:
(46 posters, 245 quotes)
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From: Matt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,alt.linux,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: I have 4's and 5's in a Bind.
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 14:53:13 +0100
Any chance of a comprehensible explanation for these postings?
Matt.
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From: "Evan DiBiase" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux lacks
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 09:54:14 -0400
"Leslie Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8fsmvh$23qn$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Evan DiBiase <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >> It runs perfectly under VMware with Linux as host, any flavor of
> >> windows as guest, and displaying even on a remote Xwindow. Some
> >> people are also running it under WINE.
> >
> >Oh, come on now. VMware is basically Windows on Linux, so you're using
Word
> >with Windows, not Linux. Besides, you wouldn't be using it "better" -- it
> >would be slower, without a doubt.
>
> It is better if you want to work from X on a remote machine. And
> VMware gives you an option where the startup disk image is
> not changed until you end the session, at which point you have
> a choice to ignore the logged changes and pretend none of it
> happened. Just think how much better that would have been for
> the people hit by the ILOVEYOU bug. They could just start the
> session up again with their files still intact.
OK, OK, bad example :)
> >At any rate, I was trying to show the stupidity of Charlie's assertion,
not
> >to start a "Windows apps on Linux" flamefest :)
>
> Nothing wrong with a good flamefest in an advocacy group.
True, as long as it doesn't degenerate into mindless ranting.
-Evan
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From: "Evan DiBiase" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux lacks
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 09:55:09 -0400
"Bobby D. Bryant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Evan DiBiase wrote:
>
> > > You're leaving out Utah-GLX.
> >
> > Uh, except I said "DRI," not GLX. I've tried GLX, and it was just OK.
When I
> > tried it, it had some major problems with Quake III Arena, for example.
>
> Except the fact that GLX *is* a direct rendering interface. However, if
you
> want the new standard Direct Rendering Interface, capital letters, you
will
> find it in XFree4.0 instead. (Utah GLX will be phased out in favor of DRI
> "TM".)
I was talking about DRI in the XFree4 sense. AFAIK, there is no DRI driver
for the G400 for XFree4.
-Evan
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From: "David D. Huff Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Here is the solution
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 13:47:03 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> >That said, nobody has been able to provide the requested proof.
>
> How much does gates pay you to be here ?
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> -----------------------------------------------------------
I guess he kind of vanished after you asked Erik the question.
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From: "Selious" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 16:00:25 +0200
> I am attempting to start a college project and have two of my
>ideas already being worked on. So I wanted to know what other people
>had for suggestions for linux projects? I was thinking of something
>along the lines of a project that would help promote the use of linux.
>What is something that most people could use? Something that could
>make a good 1 year R&D project?
A bizTalk implementation !! Don't let linux get outstandard by M$ on
e-commerce !!
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From: Illya Vaes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why only Microsoft should be allowed to create software
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 16:05:08 +0200
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>>Bummer dude because "The FEDS" began their MS anti-trust investigation in
>That was not the DOJ. That was the FTC.
FTC == _Fed_eral Trade Commission, isn't it??
You stoop to new lows in your quest of denial, "Erik"...
--
Illya Vaes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) "Do...or do not, there is no 'try'" - Yoda
Holland Railconsult BV, Integral Management of Railprocess Systems
Postbus 2855, 3500 GW Utrecht
Tel +31.30.2653273, Fax 2653385 Not speaking for anyone but myself
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From: Mongoose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 14:06:55 GMT
I was thinking, maybe not just servers and stuff, but an application
that windows users have but linux doesn't. Something that would give
windows users more of an incentive to move to linux, or help them
migrate to linux.
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