Linux-Advocacy Digest #557, Volume #33 Thu, 12 Apr 01 18:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: Blame it all on Microsoft (Karel Jansens)
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: Blame it all on Microsoft (Douglas Siebert)
Re: Undeniable proof that Aaron R. Kulkis is a hypocrite, and a (The Ghost In The
Machine)
Re: Blame it all on Microsoft ("Joseph T. Adams")
Re: US Navy carrier to adopt Win2k infrastructure (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: NT kiddies, don't try this at home ("Ben Gerber")
Re: Baseball ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: What Linux console? (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Linux on Compaq...coming this Summer. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Blame it all on Microsoft (Douglas Siebert)
Re: Blame it all on Microsoft (Chad Everett)
Re: What's your take on this story? (Microsoft opening up the MSOffice file
formats?) ("Adam Warner")
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From: Karel Jansens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Blame it all on Microsoft
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 16:57:12 +0000
Phlip wrote:
>
> Proclaimed mlw from the mountaintops:
>
> > Jonas wrote:
> >> MS Office offer alot that no one else offer. The overall interaction
> >> between Microsoft products is the strenght of the company.
> >
> > Name one feature in MS Office that isn't offered in Star Office or Applix.
>
> Do they have a macro language?
>
In the case of Applix: Ooohhh yes, and most enthousiastically so.
In fact, one might say that most of Applix is written in its own macro
language. Talk about adaptability, eh?
--
Regards,
Karel Jansens
==============================================================
"You're the weakest link. Goodb-No, wait! Stop! Noaaarrghh!!!"
==============================================================
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 17:33:19 -0400
Kurt Lochner wrote:
>
> The Disengenuous Fraud, Robertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sniveled at:
> >
> > silverback wrote:
> > >
> > >Fraud, Robertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> whined again when:
> > > >
> > > > silverback wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>Sam A. Kersh wrote:
> > > >
> > > ><snip>
> > > >
> > > >> >I've come to the conclusion based on silverback's posts over the
> > > >> >last year that he is a closet communist. He touts "welfare" aka
> > > >> >redistribution of wealth through "progressive taxation."
> > > >>
> > > >> sorry progressive taxation is not redistribution
> > > >
> > > >Poor Glen doesn't know whether he's a Fascist (e.g., the state take-over
> > > >of the California electricity industry) or a Communist (everything else)!
> > >
> > > too bad [Disengenuous Fraud] I'm neither I'm a liberal.
> >
> >And just what are you 'liberating', [..]
>
> The Usenet, of fools such as yourself, Disengenuous Fraud..
>
> > > >But, that's the problem with labels; a Bloody Collectivist like Glen will
> > > >twist and contort himself a million different ways in order to disguise
> > > >the liberty-destroying nature of his politics.
> > >
> > > allowing corporations to price gouge consumers has nothing to do with
> > > being a collectivist [Disengenuous Fraud].
> >
> >The key is competition, Glen. That's what laissez-faire capitalism is
> >all about, you see; without government regulations preventing some new
> >company from competing, entrepreneurs have an incentive to innovate [..]
>
> And when the corporations practically own our means of 'self-governance'?
You mean such corporations as the ABC/CBS/CNN/NBC ministries of
communist propaganda...
>
> The fact is, Fraud, that the utilities lobby actively to make the
> 'regulations' to their own liking, hardly the "laissez-faire capitalism"
> that you pretend it is.. Does the term "robber-baron" mean anything
> to you at all, or did your 'home-school' forget to mention that period
> in the history of the United States?
Many people have called the modern Russian economy "Robber Baron Capitalism"
while failing to note that all of the Robber Barons are Communist Party bigwigs.
>
> > > In fact the real collectivist are the fucking corporations that are
> > > bleeding the people.
> >
> >No corporation tells me to put down a 10X 'scope probe and pick up a
> >shovel to dig a canal, or dig potatoes out of the fields. I'm free to
> >do what I want, as long as idiotic government regulations aren't out
> >to deprive me of my freedom (or electricity!).
>
> You can't have it both ways, Disengenuous Fraud..
See above.
>
> --More of your squirming double-standards are self-evident, per usual..
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Douglas Siebert)
Crossposted-To: comp.theory,comp.arch,comp.object
Subject: Re: Blame it all on Microsoft
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 21:41:28 +0000 (UTC)
Chris Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Douglas Siebert) writes:
>> Even today, I'm sure a majority of corporate desktops are Windows 95 or
>> 98.
>My limited experience contradicts this - it's more often Windows NT in
>our support calls - so could you back this up, I'm interested, perhaps
>our customers are unusual. Thanks
Well, I don't have any official survey results, I think we would both
be interested in such. But in my experience as a consultant, the places
I go almost always are running Win9x on their desktops. However, as I
do consulting in big-iron Unix systems (SAP environments, that sort of
thing) maybe I'm not getting a representative look. Places that bought
the MS line that Win9x suddenly became unsuitable for corporate desktops
with the release of WinME and Win2K (i.e., when they decided that revenue
from millions of upgrades would help their ailing stock price) are also
probably attempting to run their enterprise applications on Windows :)
I'm sure MS probably will tell you that the personal version of WinXP
is unsuitable for corporate desktops, and that the more expensive
professional version should be used. Though I've never seen anything
listing exactly what features that the professional version will have
that the personal one won't, and why they are needed, to justify the
price differential.
--
Douglas Siebert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I have discovered a remarkable proof which this .sig is too small to contain!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Undeniable proof that Aaron R. Kulkis is a hypocrite, and a
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 21:42:50 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Goldhammer
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Wed, 11 Apr 2001 21:59:57 GMT
<xt4B6.82201$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>On Wed, 11 Apr 2001 21:16:08 GMT, Brent R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Goldhammer wrote:
>>>
>>> On Wed, 11 Apr 2001 03:46:30 GMT, Brent R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>> >He's almost as funny as Derek Smart.
>>>
>>> I hear Derek is busy porting BC3000AD and
>>> BC Millenium over to Linux.
>
>
>>I hadn't heard that. Derek seems to be a Microsoft
>>fanatic (read his rants on Direct X) and he doesn't
>>believe in supporting any gear that isn't mainstream
>>by his standards (BCM will support NO video cards that
>>are over a year old) so I'm not sure if I would believe
>>that. It could be possible though.
>
>
>No, it can't be possible. I was just kidding.
>I was curious if the comment would generate
>rage among Linux advocates. Usually they
>welcome software ported over from Windows,
>but a port of BC3K might be received about
>as enthusiastically as a full-featured port
>of the Windows BSOD.
We already *have* a full-featured port of the Windows BSOD.
Along with the Amiga Meditation Guru, the Apple bomb,
an SCO Unix panic (I think), and a crash on a machine which
I can't positively identify but might be a PPC.
Now if I could only remember the name of that screensaver.....
>
>Btw, is Derek still married to Bill Huffman?
I can't say I know. :-)
>
>
>--
>Don't think you are. Know you are.
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
EAC code #191 6d:18h:33m actually running Linux.
This space for rent.
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From: "Joseph T. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.theory,comp.arch,comp.object
Subject: Re: Blame it all on Microsoft
Date: 12 Apr 2001 21:44:46 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: "Joseph T. Adams" wrote:
:>
:> In comp.os.linux.advocacy MH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:>
:> : Define 'everyone'. Many organizations have not upgraded beyond windows 95 or
:> : 98.
:>
:> First, most organizations should never have been running consumer
:> versions of Windows in the first place. They were not intended for
:> business use. If a business user must run some version of Windows it
:> should be NT or 2000.
: Translation: The managers who got Windows installed on the desktops
: in most businesses, are, by definition, incompetant.
What's worse - MUCH worse - is the ones who got Windows (including NT)
deployed as *servers*.
That goes several steps beyond incompetence.
The failure of a single desktop machine negates the productivity only
of the single individual using it. The failure of a server machine -
even if it's only very brief - can negate the productivity of dozens
if not hundreds of users.
Joe
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: US Navy carrier to adopt Win2k infrastructure
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 21:45:53 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Chad Everett
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on 11 Apr 2001 20:36:57 -0500
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>On Thu, 12 Apr 2001 03:33:21 +0200, Ayende Rahien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
[snip SetFilePointer() stuff]
>>According to MSDN, this function was supprted in NT 3.1 which is out for
>>quite a long time, I believe.
>>
>
>You guys sure don't keep up with your NT bug reports, do you? This was
>officially a feature...but it was buggy and not fixed till nt SP4.
Heh...it figures.
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Windows NT. When you absolutely, positively, want
gorgeously buggy stuff.
EAC code #191 6d:19h:37m actually running Linux.
Use the source, Luke.
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Reply-To: "Ben Gerber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Ben Gerber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: NT kiddies, don't try this at home
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 17:48:08 -0400
Okay... a bit off topic but....MULE RULES!
Damn. Now I have to go home and fire up my 800....
Ben
"Neil Cerutti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > Neil Cerutti
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> *** A wandering space traveler repaid your hospitality by
> leaving two bars of smithore. ***
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Baseball
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 17:42:49 -0400
Anonymous wrote:
>
> t. max dumbass:
> > Said Anonymous in alt.destroy.microsoft on Wed, 11 Apr 2001 17:07:20
> > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett) wrote:
> > [...]
> > >> No way. It's what makes computing so much fun.
> > >
> > >for most people computing is something they endure to get things done.
> >
> > That's because they're stuck using monopoly crapware.
>
> actually the software you refer to is the only thing that allows them to
> get anything done at all.
You say that as if there are no, better-working alternatives
> until you understand why a mouse based windowing system with a consistent
> interface is, from the point of view of endusers, an improvement you will
Actually, it's not.
> never contribute anything constructive to the already confused effort to
> defeat microsoft and its emperor.
> jackie 'anakin' tokeman
>
> men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth - more than ruin,
> more even than death
> - bertrand russell
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: What Linux console?
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 21:52:07 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Dave Martel
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Wed, 11 Apr 2001 17:44:56 -0600
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>On 11 Apr 2001 19:36:30 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Neil Cerutti)
>wrote:
>
>>I think Microsoft is insane to get into the console gaming
>>market. If SEGA, a company with decades of experience in the
>>field cannot do it right, what makes Microsoft think that *they*
>>can do it?
>
>They made billions on a useless OS, didn't they?
I wouldn't call Win95, Win98, or WinMe "useless". Buggy, yes.
Glitzy, yes. Glaringly goofy GUI, yes. But not useless;
one can at least type memos on them on occasion.
I do wonder how many units that, say, Dell, Compaq, or Gateway
would have sold, had Windows 98 been a total brick. (Hey, it
worked for at least one disk drive maker. :-) )
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
EAC code #191 6d:19h:42m actually running Linux.
Are you still here?
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Linux on Compaq...coming this Summer.
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 17:45:47 -0400
Anonymous wrote:
>
> t. max dumbass:
> > Said Anonymous in alt.destroy.microsoft on Mon, 9 Apr 2001 17:03:22
> > >GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >> Joseph Ogiba wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > This is the biggest bullshit story I ever heard. There is no demand from the
> > >> > public for a PC with Linux instead of Windows.You Linux diehards have a bug
> > >> > up your ass the size of Texas over the word MICROSOFT. If there was a demand
> > >> > Larry Ellison would start a company selling PC's with your "FREE" OS.Your
> > >> > just pissed because YOU paid $320.00 for one share of VA Linux and watched
> > >> > it drop to $3.00 today. Linux is DEAD as a consumer OS and Windows XP is the
> > >> > nail in the coffin.
> > >>
> > >> No different than you WinTroll diehards. When the great fanfare of the
> > >> rollout of WindowsXp arrives into town like a cheap carnival will we
> > >> know for sure if it really is all that it can be.
> > >
> > >i'm no more loyal to microsoft than i am to any other business. [...]
> >
> > Do you always defend a company's right to rip off their customers,
>
> i defend a company's right to sell products on whatever terms they can
> negotiate with vendors and consumers.
Signing deals in which you siphon money from the sale of one
company's product into the coffers of their competitor is ILLEGAL.
Fraud
Collusion
etc.
> if i as a consumer dislike those
> terms i can take my business elsewhere.
> however all things considered i consider windows to be a real bargain.
>
> > then,
> > and break the law?
>
> the law, dear sir, is a beast.
> jackie 'anakin' tokeman
>
> men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth - more than ruin,
> more even than death
> - bertrand russell
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 17:49:04 -0400
Anonymous wrote:
>
> t. max dumbass:
> > Said Anonymous in alt.destroy.microsoft on Mon, 9 Apr 2001 12:33:29
> > [...]
> > >> So, what you're saying is that a large portion of the population is dumb as
> > >> a post, if not dumber.
> > >
> > >no, i'm saying that hostility to consumer needs is a bug not a feature.
> >
> > No, 'hostility to consumer needs' is a smoke-screen for apologizing for
> > the monopoly, not a supportable argument.
>
> if microsoft were really a monopoly linux would not exist.
Linux is not a company
Hope that helps.
> as to your hostility to consumer needs
> you're soaking in it.
consumers need low cost, reliable, easy to use systems.
Microsoft fails on all three counts.
>
> > >> You then go on to prove your own membership in this
> > >> elite crew by listing some numbers and making the assumption that some of
> > >> these numbers being higher than others determine which system is better, and
> > >> that this entire post is somehow related to the ease of use.
> > >
> > >if the goal is to defeat microsoft and its emperor ease of use is job
> > >one.
> >
> > Actually, preventing illegal activity is job one. There is no job two.
>
> translation: linux cannot win in the free market so i am hoping the
^^^^^^^^^^^^
MICROSOFT HAS NOT ALLOWED A FREE MARKET TO EXIST FOR A DECADE, YOU DUMBHIT!
> jackbooted thugs will destroy the winner making way for the losers ie
> linux headcases
>
> > >if, on the other hand, you prefer to bitch and moan about the
> > >ignorant endluzers who don't appreciate your brilliance, well
> > >please do go on.
> >
> > Like you were? We don't do that.
>
> are you claiming that linux users respect the majority of people who
> prefer windows?
> too funny!
>
> > >just don't expect unix to get anywhere on the desktop anytime soon.
> >
> > I don't. Unless the federal court's decision comes anytime soon.
>
> what was that you were saying about freedom of choice?
> jackie 'anakin' tokeman
>
> men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth - more than ruin,
> more even than death
> - bertrand russell
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Douglas Siebert)
Crossposted-To: comp.theory,comp.arch,comp.object
Subject: Re: Blame it all on Microsoft
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 22:01:00 +0000 (UTC)
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>really. Name one piece of microsoft code that didn't originate
>on Unix or Macintosh.
>Accuracy counts, so be precise.
Microsoft Bob
--
Douglas Siebert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I have discovered a remarkable proof which this .sig is too small to contain!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett)
Subject: Re: Blame it all on Microsoft
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 12 Apr 2001 16:50:03 -0500
On Thu, 12 Apr 2001 20:52:29 GMT, Icarus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On 12 Apr 2001 15:26:39 -0400, Chris Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Douglas Siebert) writes:
>>
>>> Even today, I'm sure a majority of corporate desktops are Windows 95 or
>>> 98.
>>
>>My limited experience contradicts this - it's more often Windows NT in
>>our support calls - so could you back this up, I'm interested, perhaps
>>our customers are unusual. Thanks
>>
>
>Just a data point...
>
>I've worked for 3 different companies in the last 18 months (midlife
>crisis, I guess...) Of those:
>
>Company #1) Engineers tend to run NT, while marketroids, sales,
>accounting, etc. run 75% Win9x 25% NT. Firewall is Linux.
>
>Company #2) Engineers split about 75/25 NT/9x. Those running 9x tend
>to dual-boot to Linux. One guy ran FreeBSD almost exclusively. Most
>non-engineers I encountered ran 9x. Firewall is Sun.
>
>Company #3) Nobody runs NT. Everybody runs 9x or (shudder) ME. One
>hardy soul dual-boots to Linux. I don't know what the firewall is.
>
#1) IBM Mainframe
#2) IBM Mainframe
#3) VAX, Macintosh
#4) SunOS, Windows 3.1
#5) Windows 3.1
#6) 5 various unixes
#7) SunOS, Ultrix, Solaris, HPUX, AIX, BSDi, Windows 95
#8) Ultrix, Solaris, Linux, Windows NT w/Unix servers
#9) Solaris, Linux, Windows NT w/Unix servers
The engineers run Solaris or Linux. Servers are Solaris or Linux.
The engineers LOVE having Linux on their laptops.
Secretaries run Windows NT...migrating to W2K slowly.
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From: "Adam Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What's your take on this story? (Microsoft opening up the MSOffice file
formats?)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 10:01:09 +1200
Hi Jan,
> It's not as the article makes it sound, you CAN output to XML but the
> _native" file formats are still binary.
>
> In Microsoft Office XP, XML is implemented in several ways:
>
> a.. You can save Microsoft Excel 2002 spreadsheets and Microsoft
> Access
> 2002 database tables as XML.
> b.. Microsoft Outlook 2002 views are defined in XML. You can modify
> these
> view formats in Visual Basic for Applications (VBA) code.
> c.. When you save a document from Office XP as a Web page, its output
> contains XML for rich display and editing fidelity.
> d.. Smart tags, a new feature in Office XP, can be embedded as XML
> inside
> of Microsoft Word 2002 documents, Excel 2002 spreadsheets, Outlook 2002
> e-mail (when Word 2002 is enabled as your e-mail editor) or Web pages
> (when Office XP or one of the individual applications just mentioned) is
> installed on your computer. Reusable smart tags can also be written in
> XML and distributed to multiple Office XP users. From:
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/office/xp/xml.asp and my own experience with
> the product (RTM, not beta)
Thanks Jan,
I'd like to find out whether OfficeXP's XML output is as 100% capable as
the binary format? (i.e. not just limited functionality such as RTF). For
example, if Office gives a warning that you will lose functionality saving
in this format it won't be very popular. Is there an option to save as XML
by default?
I'd also like to see the XML generated by a complicated Word document (say
a thesis). Anyone have any sources or care to post one online?
Regards,
Adam
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